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Claude’s memory architecture is the opposite of ChatGPT’s

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Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

and netflix used to think they dont want to show ads either.

Netflix likely doesn't want to show ads, but the market would rather watch ads than pay full price for a service.

https://www.theverge.com/news/667042/netflix-ad-supported-ti...

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> It may actually be the final breakthrough we need for AGI. I disagree. As I understand them, LLMs right now don’t understand concepts. They actually don’t understand, period. They’re basically Markov chains on steroids. There is no intelligence in this, and in my opinion actual intelligence is a prerequisite for AGI.

I hear this a lot, and I often ask the question “what is the evidence that human intelligence is categorically different?” So far I haven’t received a clear response.

I think it’s the ability to plan for the future and introspection.

I don’t think humans are the only ones to have both these things but that’s what I think of as a way to divide species.

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The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

The elephant in the room is that AGI doesn't need ads to make revenue but a new Google does. The words aren't matching with the actions.

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Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

In the 2020s, subscriptions don't preclude showing ads. Companies will milk money in as many ways as they can

(Netflix as an example)

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ChatGPT memory seems weird to me. It knows the company I work at and pretty much our entire stack - but when I go to view it's stored memories none of that is written anywhere.

ChatGPT has 2 types of memory: The “explicit” memory you tell it to remember (sometimes triggers when it thinks you say something important) and the global/project level automated memory that are stored as embeddings.

The explicit memory is what you see in the memory section of the UI and is pretty much injected directly into the system prompt.

The global embeddings memory is accessed via runtime vector search.

Sadly I wish I could disable the embeddings memory and keep the explicit. The lossy nature of embeddings make it hallucinate a bit too much for my liking and GPT-5 seems to have just made it worse.

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and netflix used to think they dont want to show ads either.

Netflix likely doesn't want to show ads, but the market would rather watch ads than pay full price for a service. https://www.theverge.com/news/667042/netflix-ad-supported-ti...

> the market would rather watch ads

no, netflix wants more income, and by having a product be ad supported, they can try to earn more.

The "market" is not a person, and doesn't have "wants".

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The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

Don't fool yourself into thinking Anthropic won't be serving up personalized ads too.

It's very interesting to ask Claude what ads it would show you based on your past interactions.

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Anthropic seems to want to make you buy a subscription, not show you ads. ChatGPT seems to be more popular to those who don't want to pay, and they are therefore more likely to rely on ads.

as a former paying user it felt more like they were buying my subscription with a decent product so that they could sell their business prospects to investors by claiming a high subscription count. I have never encountered such bad customer service anywhere -- and at 200 bucks a month at that.

Can you elaborate on the "bad customer service"? I've never engaged in Claude's support team, but curious to know what you've experienced.

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The difference is implementation comes down to business goals more than anything. There is a clear directionality for ChatGPT. At some point they will monetize by ads and affiliate links. Their memory implementation is aimed at creating a user profile. Claude's memory implementation feels more oriented towards the long term goal of accessing abstractions and past interactions. It's very close to how humans access mem…

The elephant in the room is that AGI doesn't need ads to make revenue but a new Google does. The words aren't matching with the actions.

Has it? Made revenue, I mean.

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Claude: "What is my purpose?" Anthropic: "You serve ad's." Claude: "Oh, my god." Jest asside, every paper on alignment wrapped in the blanket of safety is also a moving toward the goal of alignment to products. How much does a brand pay to make sure it gets placement in, say, GPT6? How does anyone even price that sort of thing (because in theory it's there forever, or until 7 comes out)? It makes for some interesting…

Ads aren't going to be trained into the model. They'll be an ads backend that the model queries with a set of topic tags, just like in traditional web advertising.

It's going to be interesting if ChatGPT actually hooks up with SSPs and dumps a whole "user preference" embedding vector to the ad networks.
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