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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by wetpaws »

bwfan123 wrote: post #167
dcminter wrote: post #131

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It's an excellent point - but a lot of the pressure to use AI in orgs is top-down and I've never seen that with useful tech tools before; they always percolated outward from the more adventurous developers. This makes me wary of the AI enthusiasm, even though I acknowledge that there is some genuine value here.

I felt the same way. The analogy I use is management dictating the tech-stack to use across the org. It does not make any sense ! They need to stay in their lanes, and let engineering teams decide what is best for their work. Big tech's general strategy is get-big-fast - and then become too-big-to-fail. This was followed by facebook, uber, paypal, etc. The idea is to embed AI into daily behaviors of people whether th…

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by wetpaws »

Rover222 wrote: post #97
chubot wrote: post #72

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They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Honestly I think the same thing happened with self-driving cars ~10 years ago. Larry Page and Google's "submarine" marketing convinced investors and CEOs of automakers and tech companies [1] that they were going to become obsolete, and that Google would be taking all that profit. In 2016, GM acquired Cruise for $1 billion or so. It se…

Not really your main point, but Tesla self driving is quite incredible, despite what internet clickbait says. They have a clear path to full autonomy with vision-only systems. But yeah, certainly 5-7 years behind the initial schedule. Which I guess was more of your point.

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by Leynos »

zzzeek wrote: post #94

can someone explain to me if this is real? I run many high profile OSS projects that are all hosted on Github. I've yet to see any issues or PRs generated by AI, when PRs come in, I've never seen an AI code review pop in. I've seen maybe one or two people trying to answer discussion questions where they obviously used an LLM but that wasn't copilot, it was just individual people trying to be clever. Why am I not seei…

I suspect it's either fantasy or fabrication.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by generic92034 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #63
gchamonlive wrote: post #21

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Even though you are right, that misses the point terribly. It's like using Instagram or Facebook. It's not at all a matter of individual choice when all your friends are on one single platform. Sure you can host your code anywhere, but by not using GitHub you are potentially missing out on a very vibrant community. It's all Microsoft to blame. It bought the medium and took an entire community hostage in the process j…

> It bought the medium and took an entire community hostage in the process just for the sake of profit. Counterpoint is that is what companies are supposed to do. They are made to make money, the end. The only hope against this for humans is regulation, and that has fallen off the face of the earth. It’s like humans are doomed to repeat the late 19th and early 20th century era over and over.

"Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders!"

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by jibe »

chubot wrote: post #72
tho2342o349423 wrote: post #51

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At this point, pretty much all of the US markets (and the USD) is hinging on "unlimited upside" promised by techbros and their magic AGIs & robots. They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Wonder what'll happen to JPY once the Yen-carry unwinds from this massive hype-cycle - will probably hit 70 JPY to the dollar! Currently Sony Bank in Japan offers USD time-deposits at 8% p…

They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Honestly I think the same thing happened with self-driving cars ~10 years ago. Larry Page and Google's "submarine" marketing convinced investors and CEOs of automakers and tech companies [1] that they were going to become obsolete, and that Google would be taking all that profit. In 2016, GM acquired Cruise for $1 billion or so. It se…

GM has 6 month attention span, abandoning self driving is suicidal short term thinking.

Waymo has been slow and steady, and has built something pretty great.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by IshKebab »

flykespice wrote: post #159
IshKebab wrote: post #112

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> training Not what this is about. > How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)? Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot.

> Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot. So Github copilot forces your PR to tag them as coauthored by Copilot or users can be slick without mentioning it?

Read the issue:

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/159749

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

hyperpape wrote: post #86
AlexandrB wrote: post #44

I find it weird how companies talk out both sides of their mouth on AI. On the one hand it's this magical tool that will make you 10x more efficient at your job, and on the other it's something they have to market heavily and shove in your face at every turn - sometimes outright forcing you to engage with it. These two things don't seem compatible - if the tool was that good people would be beating down their doors t…

From Dan Luu ( https://danluu.com/wat/ ): > When I joined this company, my team didn't use version control for months and it was a real fight to get everyone to use version control. Although I won that fight, I lost the fight to get people to run a build, let alone run tests, before checking in, so the build is broken multiple times per day. When I mentioned that I thought this was a problem for our productivity, I w…

Surprisingly enough, and pretty ironic given this discussion is about GitHub, the company Dan Luu is talking about there is Microsoft (specifically the SmartNIC team), based on his Linked description of his 2015-2016 job.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by jcgrillo »

paradox460 wrote: post #194
jcgrillo wrote: post #189

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> For now. What can incremental progress do to make a camera see through road salt deposited on its lens? I call bullshit. There isn't any incremental path because it's not physically possible . The photons are stopped by the salt. No amount of "AI" or what the fuck ever else will change this. There is no path towards "progress" here.

Just for the sake of argument, they could use spinning lenses like you do on a camera in inclement weather

Yeah or some sort of washer/wiper system, but there's much better, safer technology for this. They could just use it.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Post by Leynos »

flykespice wrote: post #159
IshKebab wrote: post #112

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> training Not what this is about. > How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)? Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot.

> Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot. So Github copilot forces your PR to tag them as coauthored by Copilot or users can be slick without mentioning it?

So the author is complaining about people using copilot, not about copilot submitting comments and PRs automatically without the repo owner's consent?
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