For those who do not, or cannot, read this announcement prior to September 28th (think people in the hospital, traveling, missed an email ..) is this not a total breach of contract? Legally, I don't understand how Anthropic's lawyers would have allowed this. Maybe I am just naively optimistic about these matters? I am a Max customer and I might leave! Talk about a "rug pull" ... and I considering moving to an inferio…
If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#202Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" is also very different from a business having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators. I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other, but "reading stuff freely posted on the Internet" is an oversimplification.
Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity. It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware. "Having machines consume large volumes of…
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that logically makes sense. Training on everything you can publicly scrape from the internet is a very different thing from training on data that your users submit directly to your service.
OpenAI, Meta and X all train from user submitted data, in Meta and X’s case data that had been submitted long before the advent of LLMs. It’s not a leap to assume Anthropic does the same.
What if you ask it for medical advice, or legal things? What if you turn on Gmail integration? Should I now be able to generate your conversations with the right prompt?
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#205This going to turn into one of those situations where we find out they trained on everyone whether they opted-out or not down the line. I want to keep using Claude, but I also don't want all the solutions I come up with to become common knowledge.
I think I'm fine with the whole getting better due to something helped it / co find with it. I'm not happy if it's directly 1:1 or attributed to me - chatham house rule for this would be great.
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#207I don't know what they've been training on but I just canceled claude for the second time. Besides the numerous UI bugs of the web interface, incessant flickerings, it has gotten weirdly super condescending and negative in a way I hadn't observed neither in the past nor with other llms. Probably that people accused it of being sycophantic and they have tried to adjust it but they didn't do it well. It'd rather critic…
I’ve found Gemini argumentative and maybe condescending too. Mistral feels like a good balance between haughtiness and sycophantism.
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#208Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…
> It annoys me greatly, that I have no tick box on Google to tell them "go and adapt models I use on my Gmail, Photos, Maps etc." I don't want Google to ever be mistaken where I live - I have told them 100 times already. As we’ve seen LLMs be able to fully regenerate text from their sources (or at least close enough), aren’t you the least bit worried about your personal correspondence magically appearing in the wild?
On the personal side. Given the LLM-s have not got the ground truth, everything is controlled hallucination, then - if the LLM tells you an imperfect version of my email or chat, you can never be sure if what the LLM told you is true, or not. So maybe you don't gain that much extra knowledge about me. For example, you can reasonably guess I'm typing this on the computer, and having coffee too. So if you ask the LLM "tell me a trivial story", and LLM comes back with "one morning, LJ was typing HN replies on the computer while having his morning coffee" - did you learn that much new about me, that you didn't know or could guess before?
On the "tragedy of the commons" side. We all benefit immensely from other people sharing their data, even very personal data. Any drug discovery, testing, approval - relies on many people allowing their data to be shared. Wider context - living in a group of people, involves radiating data outwards, and using data other people emit towards myself (and others), to have a functioning society. The more advanced the society, the more coordination it needs to achieve the right cooperation-competition balance in the interactions between ever greater numbers of people.
I think it's bad for me personally, and for everyone, that the "data privacy maximalists" had their desires codified in UK laws. My personal experience in the UK medical systems has been that the laws made my life worse, not better. Wrote here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45066321
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" is also very different from a business having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators. I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other, but "reading stuff freely posted on the Internet" is an oversimplification.
Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity. It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware. "Having machines consume large volumes of…
Sam Altman and his ilk are exploiting the incredibly slow moving legal system to enrich themselves.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you don't think downloading something from The Pirate Bay constitutes copyright infringement provided you don't republish it?
Precisely. The person sharing is the one breaking the law.