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Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by netsharc »

general1726 wrote: post #54
esalman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way they're going to keep a modular car functioning for years without relying on frequent software updates.

You can just not connect to the internet and then it does not matter if software in your car is 1 month or 20 years old.

"Cannot communicate with battery, TLS certificate expired".

I think something like this happens to Macbooks if you set the date too far into the future: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251100942?sortBy=rank

I suppose then you can change the date on the car's computer so it's still 2014 or something, at least the car would remain a non-fascist place with Obama still president...

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by pengaru »

zdw wrote: post #2

I'm fearing the day when my quite old ICE car dies and I end up in a situation where the best option is a newer car that is a computer on wheels running software that I know will stop getting updates very quickly. Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

> Of all the new cars ideas I've seen recently, only the Slate mini-truck seems to be taking a minimalist approach, with no fancy head unit or navigation system.

Agreed re: Slate, it looks interesting through this lens for sure.

But I also think there's probably a business opportunity here, and wonder why a bunch of thinkpad enthusiasts don't get together and start a classic tech business delivering simple EVs with knobs+levers, and computers that don't suck.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by hexyl_C_gut »

Wistar wrote: post #187
Terr_ wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hopeful that stuff like Android Auto or Apple CarPlay will continue moving some of the risky obsolete-able complexity away of the giant expensive machine I plan to keep for over a decade (the car) and into smaller easier-to-replace ones (my smartphone.) A quick outline for those who haven't used them: The car's head-display becomes mostly-controlled by your phone, which is what supplies any navigation, music, pod…

GM, at least on their new Equinox EV, no longer supports either Apple CarPlay or Android Auto electing instead to provide only the Google built-in infotainment system and apps. I discovered this just yesterday while researching the Equinox for a friend. She is no longer interested in the Equinox despite her loving its looks.

For some reason, they still get CarPlay outside of US.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/gm-evs-will-get-apple-carplay-...

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by AyyEye »

regulimgfdi wrote: post #90
bobbyraduloff wrote: post #44

It’s quite upsetting that if you want a modern car so that you utilise the newest advances in safety, you have to consent to constant tracking, enshitification, subscription services, etc. It would be really cool if you could get something like a ‘67 impala that doesn’t make ‘67 emissions and has actual seatbelts and airbags…

It's really a regulatory problem, where I live my 2025 toyota has a big display saying "the car is unable to send or receive any data if you don't press press accept", pressing decline gives the car that out of cell range symbol. Doesen't prevent targeted surveillance nor mass government surveillance, but those are more about regulations too.

Recent Toyotas can have the DCM physically bypassed fairly easily by unplugging it and/or unplugging a fuse. You lose the front passenger speaker and bluetooth microphone, but those can be re-enabled with a bypass cable or manually jumpering them and putting in an 8v supply IC for the mic.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by cpgxiii »

msgodel wrote: post #117
navigate8310 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some developing countries such as India, are completely banning the ply of old vehicles on the road.

I'd imagine India has some pretty insane stuff driving around so that's not surprising. The US effectively did that (arguably even more extremely) 15 years ago with the "cash for clunkers" thing.

There's this bizarre alternative history around "cash for clunkers" where an incentive program has been rewritten as this great evil that forced older vehicles off the road. All participation was voluntary. While internet commentators bemoan the "classic" cars scrapped in the program, these were almost certainly in terrible condition - people with classic cars in good condition know their value (or at least the party taking it as a trade-in does).

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by eptcyka »

eptcyka wrote: post #113
fc417fc802 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really worried about a lack of updates to an embedded device provided that it isn't network connected. To me the root of the issue, and also a far more concerning problem in and of itself, is that from what I understand modern vehicles are connected to the mobile network and phone home.

Dealerships will want you to service at their shops because they will upload all the BT metadata that the car has logged. Just because it can’t upload data on its own does not mean data instead logged.

…does not mean data is not logged. Apple, please fix your keyboards.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by _heimdall »

justforfunhere wrote: post #21

I know of some modern vehicles that will not start at all if you go about removing the telematics unit. I am not sure how long will it take before you will not be able to buy a vehicle at all without having to consent to being monitored remotely 24x7, but it will happen sooner than later. And this coming from a developing country. Pretty sure it is much worse in the developed world. I guess the market for second hand…

I had looked into removing the OnStar unit in my first gen Chevy Volt when I bought it a few years ago. I had found the same information, if I removed it the car would have all kinds of weird behavior.

Unrelated to removing telematics, but I've also had it go completely insane when the 12V battery us even slightly low. Chevy puts their cars into a battery saver mode that disables a bunch of systems, then it throws error messages for all the disabled systems needing service.

Makes me really appreciate my 1980s pickup truck. The last owner had the dealership clean out the gas tank and their mechanic forgot to reattach the fuel pump's ground. It was happy, but even that didn't stop it from running.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by numpad0 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #164
foobarian wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't figure out why car manufacturers insist on building whole parallel universes of UIs, media apps, nav apps et cetera. Doesn't it cost a ton? Do people actually use/want this stuff?

The why is pretty simple: they want recurring revenue. What the customer wants is secondary.

I think what they want is long term dominance, not necessarily revenues. Allowing Apple/Google run their code by default on all cars would be near out of question to them.

A lot of people also need robust offline navigation. The freebie included infotainment offer that.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by jancsika »

themafia wrote: post #102
judge123 wrote: post #4

I'm starting to think the short software support isn't a bug, it's a feature. They want the car to feel obsolete in 5 years so you're pushed into buying the next model. It's the smartphone sales model, but for a $50,000 purchase.

It's everywhere. You design a new transmission to comply with federal regulations. The transmission is mostly an upgrade of previous designs and built in cooperation with multiple vendors. It's actually not a bad unit. Which is a problem because it will be too reliable. So you take a small accessory component, like a valve body, and you undersize it and built it out of inappropriate materials. It now starves the tran…

> It's everywhere.

It's too bad that the dozens of old Prius models littering your grocery parking lot can't reply to you on HN.

Re: Vanishing from Hyundai’s data network

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Post by fudged71 »

judge123 wrote: post #4

I'm starting to think the short software support isn't a bug, it's a feature. They want the car to feel obsolete in 5 years so you're pushed into buying the next model. It's the smartphone sales model, but for a $50,000 purchase.

My 5 year old hyundai has had two engines and three catalytic converters, so this checks out.
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