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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by vkou »

bdangubic wrote: post #164
EGreg wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They usually just do a mea culpa: Camera: https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/facebo... Audio: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424016 Conversations: https://www.vice.com/en/article/facebook-said-it-wasnt-liste... Mass surveillance: https://thehill.com/video/facebook-spying-on-users-new-repor... Across the web: https://www.wired.com/story/ways-facebook-tracks-you-limit-i... Beacon: https://www…

I will never understand how anyone in their right mind can use any product owned by Meta…

Easily.

The alternatives are also probably up to the same sketchy shit, so your choices are to be a hermit, or accept that your services will spy on you.

If you want to participate in society, you have to either trust a very large list of untrustworthy people... Or acknowledge that they are untrustworthy, and mitigate accordingly. Part of that mitigation is accepting the possibility that if the Mossad want to murder you by blowing up your toaster, nobody's going to stop them.

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Post by zug_zug »

rdrd wrote: post #7

I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

This is just a lie. I personally know somebody who worked at meta and they had a whole set of teams dedicated to building tools for governments to mass-export data based on their queries

Now I don't know the exact details of which governments had which access (was it just for warrants, which nations, what was the line between actual terrorist versus persecuting journalists), but there was absolutely bulk export and the fact that they are lying about it makes me inclined to presume the worst.

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Post by SoftTalker »

rdrd wrote: post #7

I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

This is the company that built a secret localhost listener on Android so that they could track users across websites even in private mode. Do not believe this for a second.

I'm much more inclined to believe they track everything in high precision and also MITM all the messages. Especially now that they are inserting ads.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by anon291 »

lenerdenator wrote: post #152

All of this to avoid saying "We'd be fine with you existing within your pre-1967 borders."

I'm not sure why we should be 'fine' with people existing in their pre-1967 borders. I'm not advocating any military action, but the idea that we should just shrug while a great classical civilization's entire history and archaeology are being held hostage by iconoclastic religious zealots is not something any humanitarian should just shrug at.

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

simpaticoder wrote: post #162
lordofgibbons wrote: post #147

> WhatsApp uses end-to-end encryption, meaning a service provider in the middle can’t read a message. I wish this meme that "whatsapp is secure because it uses e2e encryption" would die. Why does it matter if the messages are e2e encrypted if the messages are managed on the two ends of the channel by a closed source binary that does who-knows-what. The whatsapp app itself sees the clear text message. What it does wit…

I think the real reason people don't take supply chain endpoint security seriously is that it too quickly regresses to distrust of the OS and hardware. At that point you abandon smartphones entirely.

You should! They are government surveillance devices that broadcast their position at all times along with every bit of data they gather from their array of sensors: gyro, mic, camera, radio

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Post by pcthrowaway »

ben_w wrote: post #121
ALLTaken wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that is next level WORD SMITHERY!! Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law META DATA. Literally they did say truthfully they "only" read all the Meta Data, which is actually all data of the company Meta.

> Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law Mixed metaphors aside, you can't cheat the law by naming yourself something. Well, you can try, but the courts take a dim view of it.

> > Zuck dribbled and 3D Chessed the Law

> Mixed metaphors aside

Zapp hit that bullseye, causing the rest of the dominoes to fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by jen729w »

SoftTalker wrote: post #203
rdrd wrote: post #7

I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

This is the company that built a secret localhost listener on Android so that they could track users across websites even in private mode. Do not believe this for a second. I'm much more inclined to believe they track everything in high precision and also MITM all the messages. Especially now that they are inserting ads.

> Especially now that they are inserting ads.

I'm no apologist for Facebook, none of whose services I use. But get your facts straight. They are not 'inserting ads' in your chats, as you imply. AFAIK they are adding adds to the never-used 'Updates' tab.

Annoying from an ad perspective, no doubt. Vastly different from a are-they-MITMing-your-messages perspective.

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