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Re: Suno v4.5

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i want the reverse. i give it a song and it tells me what the description is, and then let me search other existing songs. i have a bunch of weird music that i like and not even their creator's other songs sound much like the one song that i like...

My favourite example is a famous pop song: Desert Rose by Sting. There isn’t much else like it, I could find.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Yup. My favorite genre by FAR is baroque. High quality recordings are not as wide as you’d expect, and no one’s really pumping out new baroque. V4.5 is noticeably better, even if the model shows the real “plagiaristic” aspect. Still, I’m excited about the product. The composer could probably use some chain of thought if it doesn’t already, and plan larger sequences and how they relate to each other. Suno is also prob…

I've mentioned it before on HN, but Sid Meier worked on an application called (appropriately enough) CPU Bach for the 3DO that would algorithmically generate endless contrapuntal music all the way back in 1994. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.P.U._Bach

In a similar vein, there is https://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/AlgoMusic2_4u.lha, from ~96 or so.

Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Oh. Music I know can play repetitively in my mind, which is annoying at sleep time, so I tend to listen to slow music I am not familiar with at bed time. Suno did generate good such music just now for me, even though it failed miserably to generate music for genres I like during daytime. Fascinating.

I have the same thing, really annoying. I can wake up at night at the same song too. I stopped listening music hours before bedtime, but that doesn't always help and I also tend to forget. I'll try out suno for this purpose. What do you use for prompting, if you want to share?

Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

I used Suno to generate rap versions of Feynman's first lecture. It turned out really well! https://suno.com/playlist/d2886382-bcb9-4d6d-8d7a-78625adcbe...

This is great

Re: Suno v4.5

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If you think song and image generators can't make creative things, the problem is between the seat and keyboard. It is unfortunately that simple. 4o as an image generator can create out of distribution images because it literally works at a conceptual level. Suno currently is limited architecturally to in distribution components, so trying to create instruments or vocal styles it never heard won't work. The parts tha…

Tell me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music without telling me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music.

:) I'll bite...

https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0cb1fd881919867820db3ee3850 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c027e10c8191936ac1e86adb5bcd https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf6174488191b2b93498059c4352 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815be7921b4819191544de9f06b336f https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf16568081918ef3d26d0572701d https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c00655888191a717f4ef8f895af3 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0583198819184c4f01b8fa26ae0 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0acb6fc8191a8a2ec0c71df307a https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c233ef00819189e0713abd0f3080 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c265b0948191801b5c970451d705

For bonus points.. the tail-less crocodile.. https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c29c1bf081918c791447441c400e

You just lack imagination, like I said.. there are almost no limits but pixel density and aspect ratio currently.

Re: Suno v4.5

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The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

I've cousin who's a song writer who for a brief few hours was very excited with the silly poems she could get an AI to write, and she shared them with the family group. The first one or two were ok, but eventually several of us started pointing out how vacuous the poems seemed, and how sad that she -a great song writer in her own right- was excited about that generative AI crap. She stopped right quick. I'll say that…

https://x.com/sama/status/1899535387435086115?lang=en-GB

It's personal taste, but this is significantly better than the last couple of fiction books I've read (which were both well reviewed).

I think it's good enough that it's hard to argue is emotionally vacuous, unless you define that to mean 'it was written by a machine'

I think increasing we'll find AIs are extremely good at emotional 'manipulation' (which I mean in the same sense has how a good tearjerker is in some sense emotionally manipulative).

Re: Suno v4.5

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The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

If it's not too personal, could you share one of those lyrics?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Tell me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music without telling me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music.

:) I'll bite... https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0cb1fd881919867820db3ee3850 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c027e10c8191936ac1e86adb5bcd https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf6174488191b2b93498059c4352 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815be7921b4819191544de9f06b336f https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf16568081918ef3d26d0572701d https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c00655888191a717f4ef8f895af3 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0583198819184c4f01b8fa26ae0 https…

You're not making art, you're running prompts through a meme picture generator.

Like I said, you know nothing about making art. (Not a big deal, not everybody needs to.)

In an alternative parallel universe we might have gotten actual AI tools for making art - these would be various infilling plugins, basically. ("Make me a Photoshop brush that paints pine-needle looking spiky things", that sort of thing.)

What we got in this reality is not that, though. Meme making of the sort you posted is not art.

(That said, making memes, especially of the spicy and/or topical kind, is the one niche that generative AI is good at and nails perfectly.)

Re: Suno v4.5

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:) I'll bite... https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0cb1fd881919867820db3ee3850 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c027e10c8191936ac1e86adb5bcd https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf6174488191b2b93498059c4352 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815be7921b4819191544de9f06b336f https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815bf16568081918ef3d26d0572701d https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c00655888191a717f4ef8f895af3 https://chatgpt.com/s/m_6815c0583198819184c4f01b8fa26ae0 https…

You're not making art, you're running prompts through a meme picture generator. Like I said, you know nothing about making art. (Not a big deal, not everybody needs to.) In an alternative parallel universe we might have gotten actual AI tools for making art - these would be various infilling plugins, basically. ("Make me a Photoshop brush that paints pine-needle looking spiky things", that sort of thing.) What we got…

I mean I did have a meme or two in there to show the range. You clearly didn't look at it if you think it is all memes. Maybe think hard about what art really is.. a brush is a brush..

I don't have to justify my art to anyone. The magic is.. you can't choose what is art. You can choose what YOU think is art and that's fine. However you can't dictate to the world what is art.

Re: Suno v4.5

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post #197

i want the reverse. i give it a song and it tells me what the description is, and then let me search other existing songs. i have a bunch of weird music that i like and not even their creator's other songs sound much like the one song that i like...

My favourite example is a famous pop song: Desert Rose by Sting. There isn’t much else like it, I could find.

Exactly. I want fine grained per-song features/genres so I can find similar things.
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