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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by numpad0 »

latexr wrote: post #139
bee_rider wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are actually agreeing with you. Just, in a somewhat unpleasant and sarcastic manner. They aren’t strawmanning your argument, right? They are strawmanning the argument against it.

> They aren’t strawmanning your argument, right? They are strawmanning the argument against it. Yes, that’s the impression I got out of it too. I disapprove either way. I’d sooner defend a good argument against my point than a bad argument in favour of it. I come to HN for reasoned, thoughtful, curious discussion.

I think GP behavior is coming from weird assumption among Internet troll-y people that strong negativity shown by online drawing communities wrt AI _literally_ has nothing to do with output quality of generated data.

This is clearly incorrect to some, not to others. This point being unclear to some, leads to those people assuming that the commonly observed strong negativity is generalized response to all shape and form of new technologies, rather than that specific emotional reaction to current generation of still somewhat Lovecraftian generative AI outputs.

A bit like what if a non-vision super LLM was to characterize anti-genAI sentiment and create "techno-luddite artist" persona. But there's across-modal component to it that they don't capture, so that falls flat.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by woah »

dagmx wrote: post #185
porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

With all due respect there’s never been a time when that could have legitimately been argued unless someone was doing relatively basic things with those apps or was a hobbyist. There’s always been a significant gap in capabilities once you looked past the surface. I find this sentiment is common among FOSS advocates who don’t actually professionally use those tools. I am definitely an advocate for free tools closing…

Even if the open source option is only slightly worse, why would a professional allow that to impact how they earn a living?

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dagmx »

woah wrote: post #202
dagmx wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all due respect there’s never been a time when that could have legitimately been argued unless someone was doing relatively basic things with those apps or was a hobbyist. There’s always been a significant gap in capabilities once you looked past the surface. I find this sentiment is common among FOSS advocates who don’t actually professionally use those tools. I am definitely an advocate for free tools closing…

Even if the open source option is only slightly worse, why would a professional allow that to impact how they earn a living?

Yeah precisely. The Adobe suite is affordable if you’re actively making money off using it. It’s also why there’s not as much investment in competing open source projects.

$80 CAD/mo for the whole suite minus the substance stuff (prices are regional). For the average freelancer in Canada, that’s not a consequential barrier to entry. That’s If I charge a rate of something like $40/hr, that’s two hours in a month? Meanwhile Blender gets a lot of investment because the competition is much more expensive. CA$305/mo for Maya and I need to augment it with an adobe subscription for any non-3D work.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by Aeolun »

Ikatza wrote: post #191
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53

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I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

Is there no alternative to Photoshop? Affinity or Pixelator don't cut it?

I think Krita is the best I’ve found now, though it’s not a 1-on-1 comparison.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by stainablesteel »

schnebbau wrote: post #8

Incredible, but a shame you'll have to use Adobe to get it.

probably not, there's a new and growing market of image editing software with a wide variety of tricks, i wouldn't be surprised to know this is already implemented on some niche website

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by jryle70 »

coliveira wrote: post #184
crazygringo wrote: post #85

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Every consumer is a "lab rat" for every company at all times, if that's how you want to think about it. Each of our decisions to buy or not buy a product, to use or not use a feature, influences the future design of our products. And thank goodness, because that's the process by which products improve. It's capitalism at work. Mature technologies don't need as much experimentation because they're mature. But whenever…

You might be ok with being a lab rat, but most people are not. People buy products to satisfy their needs, not to participate in somebody else's experiment. Given the option (in the absence of monopoly) they will search for another company that treats them correctly.

> People buy products to satisfy their needs

People buy products for the novelty all the time. Sometimes they are disappointed with what they got, sometimes they discover new things. Take this very feature being discussed. How many people need it if Adobe released it today? How many would like what they see and decide to buy or renew?

> Given the option (in the absence of monopoly) they will search for another company that treats them correctly.

Are we still talking about product features?

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Post by RunSet »

dagmx wrote: post #186
insane_dreamer wrote: post #136

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Can't speak for PS vs GIMP but I used to use Illustrator a fair bit and Inkscape was nowhere near it in terms of both features and useability. Now that was 15 years ago, so it may have caught up.

You are correct even today. Inkscape is great but it’s a fraction of the utility that Illustrator offers. The only people who would actually equate them are people not professionally using these tools everyday. Even paid apps like affinity designer are a fraction of the functionality of Illustrator. Again, a great product but people are just dead wrong if they compare them as an absolute.

> The only people who would actually equate them are people not professionally using these tools everyday.

While someone who just needs a functional vector graphics editor and is not being paid to use adobe software might prefer inkscape. Speaking from personal experience, there.

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Post by mvdtnz »

achow wrote: post #7

The source (Adobe MAX) 'demoes' full range of incredible scenarios.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfct0aH2COw

This will work well about one out of every hundred times you try it. Enough to find good demo examples though.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

dmurray wrote: post #152
ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

I would interpret it that they're getting the same push from Wall Street and the same investor-hype-driven product leadership as every other tech firm, but this time they have the good fortune to specialize in one of the few verticals (image editing) where generative AI currently has superhuman performance. This is a testable claim: where were Adobe in previous hype cycles? Googles "Adobe Blockchain"...looks like the…

I disagree with your analysis. I think this is a novel use of AI in a commercial art product. Is there any AI feature that Adobe could release that you would not view as "pushed from Wall Street"?

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Post by throwaway2037 »

latexr wrote: post #112
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

I don’t think those ideas are mutually exclusive. I heavily dislike Adobe and think they’re a rotten company with predatory practices. I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost. Still, when I first heard of Adobe Firefly, my initial reaction was “smart business move, by exclusively using images they have the rights to”.…

    > I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost.
What do you think about Midjourney? The (2D) results are pretty incredible.
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