Live data from Hacker News

The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

icelandmonitor.mbl.is

201–210 of 296 posts

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#201
post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

There’s a bit more than rough categories.

Phones and certain services like social are made to capture, retain and redirect your attention.

Students come more out of this tie of constructed consumption origin.

The default state is often not idle, boredom, it’s consumption.

Relative to that..

There’s productive time and non productive time.

Passive consumption va active learning or active creating.

It’s easy to see what services accessed at a network level per devices.

There’s also digital health built into android and iOS that tracks app usage by time.

Another option is apps like opal which help manage things.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question “how do we encourage digital exploration without causing phone addiction” is the defining question of our generation.

That implies an underlying assumption that we need digital exploration. Do we?

Despite its flaws, HN is some of the best digital exploration there is. At least some teenagers spend time here and I’m glad they do.

I say we do need digital exploration.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question “how do we encourage digital exploration without causing phone addiction” is the defining question of our generation.

> the question “how do we encourage digital exploration without causing phone addiction” is the defining question of our generation One component seems to be not providing them with a networked general-purpose computer out of the gate.

thoughtful guardrails are important.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question “how do we encourage digital exploration without causing phone addiction” is the defining question of our generation.

Punish companies that make addictive algorithms. Pre-social media, websites were no where near as damaging

I definitely plan to limit my kid’s exposure to certain algorithms as much as possible.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#205
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a high school teacher. Not for long, but for a few years now. Never have I ever seen a student reading on their phone. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it must be a vanishingly small fraction that I have not yet encountered. When my students are on their phones, it's games, or it's (primarily video-based) social media. A smaller but notable fraction is background media consumption, either music or movies. Th…

I know I’m an autist and Wikipedia addictions are not the norm, but how can people not enjoy reading? I got in trouble all the time in school for reading (real books) during class time when the teacher was lecturing about things I already knew. Do kids like this not exist anymore? I thought autism rates were going up! Seriously, no one reads? I thought kids were getting all political and woke, presumably from reading…

I do have readers, they're just not as common as the types. And like you they prefer physical books.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#206

There used to be a Silicon Valley parents versus not divide in my personal observation of kids with smart phones/tablets. It’s now generalised to a class division: the children of the rich tend to have tight restrictions at home and, increasingly, at school, around device use. We need statewide rules if we’re to avoid creating a generational gap in cognitive and social competence.

At my kid's public school in SF, there is one girl who lives the projects that was the first to have a cell phone, like 2nd or 3rd grade. And there are definitely well-off parents who are pushing no phone (and no video games, in some cases) now in 4th grade, with some kids having a watch or phone as needed for club sports etc.

But the divide is much less rich vs. poor and more about parental involvement (which has some obvious economic relation, but a stable home life seems more relevant).

On the othe hand, I know some families at private schools and those kids seem much less regulated phone-wise.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should've been expanded into driving a long time ago. There are laws against distracted driving but I still see people weaving around like they're drunk on the roads. When I look into the car they're usually holding a phone (on speakerphone) or holding it up to their ear. People suck at driving enough as it is without driving one handed and distracted.

Do you have proof there have been more car accidents since phones entered the driving arena compared to the before times? I always hear people claiming the roads are more dangerous but I’ve not seen any more accidents than when I was younger. Just a quick perusal on the web shows fatalities per 1 million miles has dropped significantly since the 1990s

Part of the problem with analyzing the general capabilities/safety of drivers over time is that cars have gotten way safer, and smarter. Frontal pre-collision brake assist, automatic lane centering, radar-assisted cruise control, 9+ airbags per car, better seat belts (some that actually are airbags), brilliantly engineered crumple zones, they all substantially reduce the number of deaths per mile driven as well as deaths per accident. Plus in general, people drive greater distances on average now, and make more freeway trips, which are generally safer (read: fewer collisions per mile driven) than surface street trips. So, just because there are fewer deaths or accidents per mile driven, it does not directly follow that people are better drivers. I think people would have to be much, much, much worse drivers today than in the 80s/90s to get fatalities per mile back up to where it used to be.

I’ve only been driving for a decade (although I’ve been paying attention to traffic for maybe 15 years?) and in the last ~4 years I’ve anecdotally noticed a very steep decline in general driving competence, across 3 provinces and 6 states. Not just distracted driving (poor reactions, unable to keep vehicles centred in lanes, etc), but unnecessarily aggressive driving (purposefully blocking merges, passing in dangerous conditions, etc), unnecessarily fearful driving (hugging the right of the lane, driving >20% below the speed limit/flow of traffic during busy times of day, braking unnecessarily early for stoplights that haven’t yet changed [or worse, for a stoplight that doesn’t apply], etc), and what I call “mindless driving” (camping the left lane while travelling well under the flow of traffic and/or speed limit with cars passing 20-40km/h faster on the right, changing lanes without checking it’s clear or even signalling, blowing through stop signs/crosswalks, not moving over or slowing down for emergency vehicles on the shoulder or approaching from behind, etc).

All of these things have been happening forever, but I’m certain they’re occurring more frequently now. I’ve had a dashcam in every vehicle I’ve owned, and I used to save clips of “idiots” every week or two when driving ~600km/week. These days I drive less than a third of that on average and I’m saving clips almost every time I drive somewhere. Just this past week, I’ve seen two near collisions involving school buses, 6 (!) cars changing >3 lanes in opposing directions simultaneously in and out of each other within 150m of multi-lane off ramp, an accessible school vehicle (wheelchair-equipped minivan for disabled students) pull out of a stopped lane into another lane in front of a car travelling at full speed (~80km/h, the posted speed limit) who had to swerve off the road to avoid it, a vehicle purposefully matching the speed of a vehicle trying to merge on the highway to prevent them from merging safely, and (my favourite) a pickup truck accelerating from ~105km/h to ~130km/h at full throttle (while previously camping the left lane of a two-lane freeway) to prevent me from moving over for a police car and ambulance stopped on the shoulder, partially in my lane, up ahead. All within ~450km (busier driving week than usual). And this isn’t a particularly notable time period, the last 2 years have been like this constantly.

Maybe I’m just noticing it more now, maybe it’s localized, but I’m very confident that drivers, in general, are worse now than they were even 4 years ago.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#208
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the daily downtown crawl at 5PM I count about one in four drivers on their phone. Is there a way to tell apart the adaptive cruise control cars from the ones without ? ACC is the only way I can explain why there isn't a crash every 5 minutes.

ACC won't engage under 25 mph. The reason for the lack of crashes might be that driving isn't that hard for most people.

Many cars do have “stop-and-go” assist, including lane centring, meaning the car will maintain distance to the car in front down to 0 while maintaining its position in the centre of the lane, and then accelerate from 0 when traffic starts moving again. This is a relatively new feature, being generally available on luxury marks from ~2016 or so. Many cars with ACC prior to that wouldn’t engage below some speed, but would continue operating down to nearly 0 or 0, and then require the driver to take over until the engagement cutoff speed was reached. Some cars as far back as at least 2012 supported this (that I’ve driven), possibly older as well.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#209
post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen screenshots of Elon acting like a loser, that's about it.

So you've never clicked on Twitter links, even when they have been submitted to HN?

I've clicked them by accident, does that count as using? I also "use" adverts then.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#210
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I simply don't use either. never have, never will. they do not serve my purpose, so they are irrelevant to my life.

And yet, you’re still on here posting along with the rest of us.

says a lot about the company I keep, doesn't it.
Post reply on HN