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Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by ep103 »

dhosek wrote: post #106
nerdponx wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider the intelligence of pigs as well. Even if cows, sheep, deer, rabbits, chickens, turkeys, et al. all sit below the "I don't want to eat you" cutoff point, pigs should probably be above it.

I’ve been able to give up eating cephalopods, but pigs are too delicious to give up.

I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of:

cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal

Solve for:

Min (cruelty_cow + cruelty_pig + cruelty_octopus + ...)

Where AmountOfProvidedMeat > NeededMeatForHealthyDiet

And Cost * AmountOfProvidedMeat I've generally found that maximizing on Fish, Chicken, and Cow (in that order) seems to be the best bet. I tend not to touch veal, lamb, or octopus.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by baggy_trough »

ep103 wrote: post #201
dhosek wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been able to give up eating cephalopods, but pigs are too delicious to give up.

I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of: cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal Solve for: Min (cruelty_cow + cruelty_pig + cruelty_octopus + ...) Where AmountOfProvidedMeat > NeededMeatForHealthyDiet And Cost * AmountOfProvidedMeat I've generally found that maximizing on Fish, Chicken, and Cow (in that order) seems to be the best bet. I tend…

A single walrus eats 4500 clams a day so let's hope they are low on pain awareness.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by goostavos »

tiffanyh wrote: post #178

Octopuses are practically alien. They can: - shape shift into so many different forms and shapes. - "invisibility", by instantanously changing colors & it's own skin texture, to match surrounds. - can regrow entire body parts if cut off (like arms) - have 9 brains (localized) - and are ridiculous intelligent

And they might have dreams!

One of the coolest things I've encountered at an aquarium was a sleeping octopus wildly shifting its colors. It seems truly alien to behold -- like it shouldn't be possible.

My googling after the fact says that who knows why they actually do it or what's going on, but, I really like the thought of them having little octopus dreams.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by inkcapmushroom »

vasco wrote: post #172
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I used to love eating octopus, but since I've learned so much about their intelligence, I have not been able to bring myself to do so, anymore. I have the luxury of choice. There are many, in this world, that do not.

You should try Polvo à Lagareiro or Pulpo a la Gallega, life is too short to not eat good food.

They already said they used to love eating octopus. You reply they should try eating octopus because it's tasty. They already tried it before and decided to give it up for reasons beyond how it tastes.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by Wojtkie »

rkagerer wrote: post #182
tiffanyh wrote: post #178

Octopuses are practically alien. They can: - shape shift into so many different forms and shapes. - "invisibility", by instantanously changing colors & it's own skin texture, to match surrounds. - can regrow entire body parts if cut off (like arms) - have 9 brains (localized) - and are ridiculous intelligent

And yet like us they have two eyes. I wonder if we meet aliens from another star-orbiting planet if their light-sensors will look anything like ours.

Well, I'm not sure there'd be much benefit to spending energy on a 3rd eye. You can already achieve stereoscopic vision with just two eyes, why waste the energy on a third? It probably doesn't increase fitness enough to be worth the energy spend.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by qup »

colechristensen wrote: post #100
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just because something is intelligent is no reason not to eat it imho

This is an honest question, I'm not making a joke. Why shouldn't we eat _you_ then?

Things will eat me, if I let them.

Re: Octopuses seen hunting together with fish

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Post by nerdponx »

ep103 wrote: post #201
dhosek wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been able to give up eating cephalopods, but pigs are too delicious to give up.

I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of: cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal Solve for: Min (cruelty_cow + cruelty_pig + cruelty_octopus + ...) Where AmountOfProvidedMeat > NeededMeatForHealthyDiet And Cost * AmountOfProvidedMeat I've generally found that maximizing on Fish, Chicken, and Cow (in that order) seems to be the best bet. I tend…

One thing to consider about veal is that it's an unavoidable byproduct of the dairy industry. Veal calves do not need to be mistreated to become veal, but the plain fact is that they are also not going to be kept alive either. A male cattle that is not a breeding bull has no economic value until its corpse is processed, barring entertainment uses like rodeo.

If you refuse to eat even humane veal (free to roam and milk-fed), then IMO you should refuse dairy entirely.

It might also be worth considering that the entire concept of humane dairy is questionable. It depends on separating mothers from calves, and either eating the latter or weaning them at far too young an age, or both. Cows are dumb, but they're not that dumb, and more importantly they are prey mammals with strong "familial" instincts. The process is fundamentally at least somewhat cruel.

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