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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by ta988 »

kriiuuu wrote: post #118
imutemyteam92 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally feel teachers will be the first to lose their jobs. 100% You just need one teacher who acts as a supervisor. And another group that sets the curriculum. No need to actually teach for the most part.

It sounds like you have no idea about what teachers actually do and how they interact with students.

What teachers could do. A lot of them are not doing anything special and just repeat their low quality teaching material. But sure some are genuinely trying to help students understand the topic, be open about the world and even help them in their personal issues. We have excellent tools now for the crude information transmission that could relieve teachers from that annoying part of the job and would allow them to really focus on helping the students in all their dimensions. And that's the part that AI and learning technologies are not able to replace for now if ever. Seeing teachers as pure information providers is a mistake that I have seen in students, parents, teachers and school directors unfortunately, and this usually have disastrous results on students that ripple far in their future.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by lpapez »

cageface wrote: post #195
lpapez wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't have a way of verifying what the correct answer is, then is there actually a correct answer at all? In many cases, programming included, you don't actually care if it's 100% correct, it is enough to just give you a nudge, show you the way forward, suggest some ideas etc. If whatever it is you are doing can be verified for correctness, then of course you will check the answer. But for creative pursuits th…

Right. The two areas where I've found current AI to be useful are code generation where I can fairly easily check the results and creative stuff where it doesn't matter. I don't understand how people feel they can use it as a search engine replacement. If you have to go separately check the results then it doesn't seem like it's saving any time. I suspect people are just trusting the output a lot more than they shoul…

I do use it primarily as a search engine.

Before ChatGPT I had to manually investigate and read through multiple pages of potentially irrelevant stuff to find an answer I could try to verify. If you find an answer on StackOverflow, you still need to integrate and verify it.

Now I get an answer straight away just by asking a question, and can skip manual knowledge extraction step to get right on answer verification step (i.e. compiling, testing, extending).

Even if ChatGPT is nothing else except a way to fuzzy search and summarize found results, even just that is already hugely helpful and has almost completely replaced Google for me.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by radarsat1 »

rambambram wrote: post #84
schiffern wrote: post #47

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I, for one, welcome our new Norwegian overlords. btw it's called a garden-path sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence

Nice! I get emails from Meetup with subject texts like "You're the organisator [that this and that Meetup needs]" and every time I open that email to find out what the complete sentence is and am a little bit relieved to find out I'm not an organisator of something by accident. It's on the edge, but not over it. Smart marketing from Meetup. Never knew there was a name for these sentences.

This reminds me of something more innocuous but funny that happens to me. Innocuous because it's not on purpose.

When I forget to start Slack and someone sends me a message, Slack sends me an email saying "You have a new direct message in ".

Well, it so happens that when I get this, the notification dialog that pops up to tell me about the email is just the right width that it gets cut off as "You have a new dire.."

The first several times this happened I went straight to Slack eager to find out what was so important.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by choppaface »

Barrin92 wrote: post #110
choppaface wrote: post #79

Imagine if 20 years ago search engines sent sales reps to schools and sold access. Copilot is completely free when using Edge with a Bing account. Why spend a dime of taxpayer money on this??

Data protection and privacy for one. As the article says none of the student interaction will be used for training data which probably means you'll have to iron out some sort of educational licensing deal with OpenAI and separate access to the API for students.

Not something that should require a special contract for a user under the age of 13.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by rldjbpin »

the article recognizes a potential divide between those who pay for the gpt-4 model or not. personally using either is not worth the trade off, but i did see from my own experiences the impact of having the right things can have on your work ethic.

when i changed schools and realized that students scored more because they have access to past exams and they would rather practice them then study the material. in a competitive environment, it nudged me to also adapt to this strategy rather than learning the concepts the intended way.

regarding hallucinations, i wonder how much critical thinking would matter. back when students referred to wikipedia or random search results for an essay, a fair bit of them just take the material for its word.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by krupan »

darkerside wrote: post #63
krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

I rarely hear any of those phrases from a teacher, fwiw

So two wrongs make a right?
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