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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by smt88 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #147

The way out is authenticity. Signed content is the only way to get that. You can't take anything at face value. It might be generated, forged, et. When anyone can publish anything and when anyone is outnumbered by AIs publishing even more things, the only way to filter that is by relying on reputation and authenticity so you can know who published what and what else they are saying. Web of trust has of course been tr…

> Signed content is the only way to get that.

This does nothing to guarantee that the content was written or edited by a human. Because of the risk of key theft, it doesn't even guarantee that it was published by the human who signed it.

It is physically, philosophically, and technically impossible to verify the authenticity of digital content. At the boundary between the analog world and the digital world, you can always defraud it.

This is the same reason that no one ever successfully used blockchains for supply-chain authentication. Yes, you can verify that item #523 has a valid hash associated with it, but you can't prove that the hash was applied to item #523 instead of something fraudulent.

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Post by klondike_klive »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #141
worldsayshi wrote: post #126

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So does that mean that the free (as in beer) internet is dying and ad-tech killed it?

The free Internet was only free because corporate interests didn't see it as an avenue worth pursuing, yet. It was a niche curiosity full of nerds talking about their interests, in boring text of all things, and nobody was shopping. Now that's flipped. Now everyone is on the Internet, and everybody's got built-in payment methods, so corporations have leveraged their power in the space. And like every other third spac…

IncidentLly I've noticed a disturbing uptick in borderline sketchy ads on YouTube recently, things that used to be subliminal in those "doctors hate her" banners are now overt and unskippable.

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Post by krapp »

CaptainFever wrote: post #151
branon wrote: post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

I can't really see a relevance between "we should spend more time with trusted people", which is an argument for restricting who can write to our online spaces, and "we should be unindexable and untrainable", which is an argument for restricting who can read our online spaces. I still hold that moving to proprietary, informational-black-hole platforms like Discord is a bad thing. Sure, use platforms that don't allow…

Read access to humans means read access to AIs. We can't stop the cancer but we can at least try to slow its spread.

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Post by digging »

novemp wrote: post #172
causal wrote: post #110

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Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

Too bad Kagi is also investing in LLMs.

Why is that bad?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by tivert »

klondike_klive wrote: post #195
tivert wrote: post #49

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> No, that's never happened before. You're crazy. Start filling up Discords with insane AI-generated garbage, and maybe you can devalue the data to the point it won't get sold. It's probably totally practical too, just create channels filled with insane bots talking to each other, and cultivate the local knowledge that real people just don't go there. Maybe even allow the insane bots on the main channels, and cultiva…

The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.

> The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.

I was think it could work if 1) the noise is just obvious enough that a human would get frustrated and block without wasting much time and/or 2) the practice is common enough that everyone except total newbies will learn generally what's up.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

cauliflower99 wrote: post #134
pavel_lishin wrote: post #101

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We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history.

I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me.

And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content is easier to produce and deliver" ladder, it actually gets way more difficult to find much of value, and also more difficult for smaller artists to find an audience.

We see this on Steam where there are thousands of new game releases every week. You only ever hear of one or two. And it's almost never surprising which ones you hear about. Rarely you get an indie sensation out of nowhere, but that only usually happens when a big streamer showcases it.

Speaking of streamers, it's hard to find quality small streamers too. Twitch and YouTube are saturated with streams to watch but everyone gravitates to the biggest ones because there's just too much to see.

Everything is drowning in a sea of (mostly mediocre, honestly) content already, AI is going to make this problem much worse.

At least with human generated media, it's a person pursuing their dreams. Those thousands of games per week might not get noticed, but the person who made one of them might launch a career off their indie steam releases and eventually lead a team that makes the next Baldur's Gate 3 (substitute with whatever popular game you like)

I can't imagine the same with AI. Or actually, I can imagine much worse. The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company to replace half their staff and now a bunch of people are out of work and have a much harder uphill battle to pursue their dreams (assuming that working on games at that company was their dream)

I don't know. I am having a hard time seeing a better society growing out of the current AI boom.

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Post by BizarreByte »

jprete wrote: post #138
spookybones wrote: post #120

What’s the chance that some of these comments are AI bots? Genuine question. When will OpenAI create an AI PR team?

They don't have to, the fandom will do it for free. EDIT: Also, the odds are close to 100%.

> They don't have to, the fandom will do it for free.

See Elon Musk about 4-5 years ago. It was impossible to criticize the man or his projects without getting dogpiled.

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Post by TOGoS »

tyfon wrote: post #45
rightbyte wrote: post #22

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Ye like the canned responses in Teams. Removes the fine grained nuances.

Does anyone actually use those? I have not seen any instances of it within the companies I've been at.

I may have clicked one ironically one time, for my own amusement, then followed it up with an actual answer because I knew my coworker wouldn't get the joke.
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