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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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konschubert wrote: post #59
sschueller wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infotainment is not a cars purpose but an addition. If you need to play video games and watch Netflix then you should not be driving.

I would like a map that is up to date and has a good UX. Spotify and podcasts. Voice controls that allow me to hear and speak text messages. Basic stuff, impossible for Volkswagen. EDIT: I agree with the replies that say this should be handled by CarPlay/Android Auto. In which case I’d like my cars software to support that well. EDIT2: Oh and there has to be an api where the car shares charge state and range estimate…

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Post by seanieb »

darthrupert wrote: post #190
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I cannot say much about parts quality since I have owned my Tesla only for 6 months, but the software is top of the line of EVs. There seems to be a bunch of Musk hatred that people just transfer to Tesla hatred.

It would be much more productive to ask why rather than to dismiss my observations as some sort of grunge against the CEO. See my other comments.

I also have a Volvo XC60 with lane keeping, I find it's much more reliable than Autopilot and doesn't dangerous "phantom break" at highway speeds for no reason. See my other comment for some more, but not an exhaustive list, of the issues I have with my Model 3.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cynix »

yareal wrote: post #53
audunw wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

We had a model s, the software crashed constantly. Or just locked up. Nothing like having your dashboard go black at 70 mph to instill confidence in your car.

Weird, I’ve had my Model S for 8 years, and it never locked up once.

Is yours a MCU1 model with problematic eMMC that has worn out?

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Post by ryandrake »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

Toyota has never understood infotainment software. It’s my one and only complaint of the brand after owning many of their cars. They need to just give up.

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Post by fnord77 »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

which model Toyota?

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Post by wozniacki »

hmottestad wrote: post #181
bayindirh wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Let me quickly ask you if Norwegians are seeing the same rates of Tesla mishaps as the rest of the world ( or atleast North America )?

If you happened to be unaware all of these Tesla-skeptics ( atleast this latest round of skeptics ) are being buoyed by this Reuters report about major problems Tesla owners have faced off late. One describing a new owner's experience with his spanking new Tesla : "The vehicle’s front-right suspension had collapsed, and parts of the car loudly scraped the road as it came to a stop."

   Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective
   https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by konschubert »

aeyes wrote: post #200
hmottestad wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

This is not true, the Leaf was selling in the thousands before Tesla entered the Norwegian market in mid 2013. The Leaf was the best selling car of all new cars in October 2013.

Nobody in this world wants to buy a leaf. (At least not the original model)

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Post by uxp8u61q »

silisili wrote: post #51
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

How is your anecdote supposed to counter cold hard data gathered at the level of a whole country?

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Post by nomad_dude »

silisili wrote: post #51
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

What do you mean by “ICE cars?”
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