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We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by arketyp »

shubhamjain wrote: post #162

At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

For all the talk about responsible progress, the irony of their inability to align even their own incentives in this enterprise deserves ridicule. It's a big blow to their credibility and questions whatever ethical concerns they hold.

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Post by xigency »

doctoboggan wrote: post #54

I really did not think that would happen. I guess the obvious next question is what happens to Ilya? From this announcement it appears he is off the board. Is he still the chief scientist? I find it hard to believe he and Sam would be able to patch their relationship up well enough to work together so closely. Interesting that Adam stayed on the board, that seems to disprove many of the theories floating around here…

I would be slightly more optimistic. They know each other quite well as well as how to work together to get big things done. Sometimes shit happens or someone makes a mistake. A simple apology can go a long way when it’s meant sincerely.

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Post by intended »

From a business sense, Satya was excellent.

He made the right calls, fast, with limited information.

Things further shifted from plan a to b to… whatever this is.

Despite that, MSFT still came out on top.

Consider if Satya didn’t say anything. Suppose MSFT stood back and let things play out.

That’s a gap for google or some competitor to make a move. To showcase their stability and long term business friendly vision.

Instead by moving fast, doing the “right” thing, this opportunity was denied and used to MSFTs benefit.

If the board folded, it would return to the stays quo. If the board held, MSFT would have secured OpenAI, for essentially nothing.

Edit: changed board folded x2 to board folded + board held, last para.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by Auracle »

nonethewiser wrote: post #151
alex_young wrote: post #141

Larry Summers? He has no technical experience, torpedoed the stimulus plan in 2008, and had to resign the Harvard presidency following a messy set of statements about ‘differences’ between the sexes and their mental abilities. Kind of a shocking choice.

> “There is relatively clear evidence that whatever the difference in means—which can be debated—there is a difference in the standard deviation and variability of a male and female population,” he said. Thus, even if the average abilities of men and women were the same, there would be more men than women at the elite levels of mathematical ability Isn’t this true though? Says more about Harvard than Summers to be ho…

Shh. Only some truths should be spoken aloud. You clearly deserve to lose your job if you speak one of the other truths that offends people.

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Post by arduanika »

zerocrates wrote: post #178
arduanika wrote: post #98

Larry Summers is an excellent pick to call out bullshit and moderate any civil war, such as this EA - e/acc feud. Kissinger (R, foreign policy) once said that Summers (D, economic policy) should be given an advisory post in any WH administration, to help shoot down bad ideas.

Funny you mention him, as my first thought was that Summers will have a basically equivalent function on the board as Kissinger did at Theranos.

Huh, that's a pretty apt analogy. Lending establishment cred is at least part of why they would pick Summers. But I really do think that on such a small board, Summers, unlike Kissinger, may have an active role to play, even if only as a mediator.

Btw, I would not be pleased if Kissinger were on this board in lieu of Summers. He's already ancient, mostly checked out, and yet still I'd worry his old lust for power would resurface. And with such a mixed reputation, and plenty of people considering him a war criminal, he'd do little to assuage the AI-not-kill-everyone-ism faction.

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Post by jadamson »

antonvs wrote: post #106
seydor wrote: post #35

Larry Summers and no females

Summers would tell you that women don’t have the necessary “intrinsic aptitude”. Of course the intrinsic aptitude in question is being able to participate in a nepotistic boy’s club.

What Summers would point out is that boys do better at maths, which is true. In fact, in the UK, the only time boys have had worse results in maths was when exams were cancelled during Covid and teachers (hint: primarily female) were allowed to dish out grades. Girls suddenly shot ahead. When exams resumed, boys took the lead again.

But don't notice anything from that. That would be sexist, right Anton?

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Post by consp »

kneel wrote: post #58
veqq wrote: post #44

Besides AI safety (a big besides), what does this actually mean? Adam won't be able to stop devday announcements about chatbots etc. Satya can continue using IP even after AGI? What else is different? Is Ilya the kind of guy to now leave after losing a board seat to political machinations? The pettiness of any real changes/gains leaves me in shock compared to the massive news flows we've seen. I don't even understand…

>He doesn't seem great at leading an engineering or research department Under Sam's leadership they've opened up a new field of software. Most of the company threatened to leave if he didn't return. That's incredible leadership.

Or simply money. Microsoft matched everything they would have so there is no risk involved.
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