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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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I've been predicting a rise in numbers of 'good gangs' in the west for years now. Of course it must start with a rise in bad gangs first. I believe we're heading towards anarchy. The law just doesn't serve the majority anymore.

Exactly this. It’s not even a secret, quite a few intelligence and defense agencies have published reports in this issue. These agencies even intentionally using this process to destabilize target countries first. Based on what I’ve read the agencies haven’t fully recognized that it will eventually come for everyone, though I have seen that written as a scenario. It’s likely effective state agencies will continue to…

It feels like the tables are turning and the tactics that the west used to destabilize developing countries will now be used against it. Also, the west might end up saddled with illegitimate debts to consolidate the mass enslavement under a corrupt elite class just like it was in Africa. I won't be surprised if we start to see western dictators come to power (if it hasn't already happened). We should expect our dictators to be cunning and use old beliefs to their advantage so that people don't recognise them as dictators.

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That's quite the corkscrew you've turned yourself into just to say you don't trust Muslims. If you really believe it then just say it.

I suspect that isn't going to happen.

It's interesting though how racism establishes itself by being anything but itself. And then, afterwards everybody wonders how it could have happened again.

Let me take a stab at this in a way that it is somewhat balanced: I've grown up in Amsterdam, born in a time when there were hardly any immigrants and then wave after wave of them came by. What keeps me grounded is that I've been an immigrant myself. First to Poland, then to Canada, then to Romania and with long stretches in other countries in between. But I'm not brown and I'm not religious so I don't come across as strange or off-putting. I dress like everybody else does, I try to speak the language and adapt to whatever culture I join because I don't want to stand out and I'd rather be treated like a native.

But a person-of-colour immigrating into a country that is nominally 'white' doesn't really have that option. From a mile away the 'locals' can tell that person is different in some way. And if they are religious in a different way that counts much heavier against them than my atheism ever will simply because they're not aware of it (assuming they are religious themselves).

Depending on how the person responds to it this can have all kinds of effects, but the main response is the one the locals have to the non-white, possibly religious in a different way than they are foreigner. They are not going to openly tell this person they're not welcome and that they are afraid of them and don't trust them (see your question above). But what they will do is:

- disadvantage that person and their children

- talk about them in a negative way behind their backs

- blame them for everything that is wrong with their society (housing, welfare, whatever)

- harass them, but only when nobody is looking

And so mutual resentment builds. The kids find that they and their parents are not being treated fair, still want to live the good life and before you know it you have another criminal. Or not, but then there is someone who feels that the whole of society is out to get them.

This is why the West and immigration have not worked out well so far: equal chances don't exist and the locals tend to believe that immigrants are there to do the dirty work and be kept in their place. Amazingly one of the right-wing parties in NL now has a woman and an immigrant (Turkish/Kurdish) as the party leader. To the great abhorrence of many former VVD voters, who are now likely going to move to the PVV, the even more rightwing anti-immigrant party. NL may well have its Trump moment soon.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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As someone who has lived in some of these countries in the past 10 years. Sweden is simply too nice to criminals. Police, laws... everything. Other countries have no tolerance for that.

Agree have family I'm Sweden. Its often said the crime deterrence is a factor of severity of punishment * probability of being caught. The jails in Sweden offer a decent standard of living. Where the offende is a refugee / immigrant they likely find it better than where they escaped.

1.) its not often said that crime deterrence is a factor of severity of punishment * probability of being caught. It’s often said that crime deterrence is a complex issue and that probability of being caught seems to be vastly more powerful than the severity of punishment, for some reason.

2.) It’s still prison. You’re still locked up. Even people from poor countries want to be free.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

#206

Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven't allowed illegal immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt... Legal immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.

This is xenophobic BS. Same point was recently made by many Greek far-right chaps, only to find out that the most wanted gang leader was actually Greek (read: EU passport holder). So "illegal immigration" is not the main issue here.

[1] https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/03/greek-man-gang-war-swed...

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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That's quite the corkscrew you've turned yourself into just to say you don't trust Muslims. If you really believe it then just say it.

Why do we think religion is such a sacred cow (no pun intended)? Why is criticizing a religion any different from criticizing let say, capitalism and billionaires? Basically we decided to grandfather in ideas that don't really have a place in a modern liberal society. With that said, I have no issues with reformed muslims that keep the community/"civilized" cultural aspects of Islam, but yes, of course i'm suspicious…

Because freedom of religious persecution is enshrined in a large number of core laws simply because we have already seen what can happen if you don't have that kind of provision.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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You can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the histori…

I heard Östermalm correctly - it was a vivid memory and where I worked at the time. Reading about "no-go zones" was fresh in my mind. I remember thinking "Really? Where the Bentley dealership is?" Good luck finding graffiti there, let alone circumstances rough enough to scare the cops away.

Yea must have been a joke or an actual ignorant tourist. When I was there it seemed the less well off areas tended to be extremely cut off from the rest of Stockholm too.

I made an actual effort to go to Tensta when I was there (it's hard to find good Levantine food in the US) and it definetly felt dislocated. Very much like a purposely created ghetto. Like Visitation Valley and Bayview in San Francisco.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Very true. I can see what you are referring to. Even as a very successful law-abiding "expat" I could not stand the tribalism and extreme unconscious racism in my workplace and the society in general. As you said they think all foreigners are children or stupid and they don't respect your knowledge. Life there made me depressed, so I ran away in less than a year and living life now in Ireland. Not blaming the Swedes…

I hate "expat", just a way of trying to make yourself sound better, it's obnoxious

Hahaha, I used the quotes because I hate it too. That was failed sarcasm:)

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

> I have zero worries about my safety.

Ah nice. I guess there's no problem then.

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