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Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Seriously. I have zero use for a touch screen in a car. Maps? When I drive I look at... the road. If I need directions, google maps can tell me to turn left etc by voice commands.

...people actually use voice commands? I've not used them in any GPS for like 10+ years nor do I know anyone who has audible navigation enabled.

what's the alternative - looking at a screen? I want to concentrate on driving.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

#202

I'm religious about never, ever interrupting the user. It's unfortunate that way too many other software developers consider it acceptable. No, I don't care about your updates and onboarding and ToS changes, I opened your app with one concrete goal in mind and you're getting in my f***ing way. You aren't being helpful a tiniest bit. If you need to inform the user about something, put a banner at the top of the screen…

The web version of Twitter/X is an example of this. Way too many modals

The Android app honestly feels like they have a daily quota of permissible user annoyance.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

#203

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Yeah, this'll be the UK. We use a mix of imperial and metric, so you'll see "300m to next service station" and also "30 mph" speed limits :). People typically weigh themselves in stone and lbs, yet the food we buy is weighed in grams

I often convert these new fangled units back into old money. Chains per fluid ounce (Ch/FlOz) is so much easier to comprehend. I jest but that isn't as mad as our pre-decimalization currency. We were still spending coins that called themselves a shilling and calling them five pence (and 2s as 10p) for quite a few years afterwards.

Fun fact: chains and furlongs are the archaic intermediary unit that get you from our smallest unit (inches) to our largest unit (miles) in a way that isn't completely insane (i.e. "simply 5280 feet to the mile"). It's really:

- 12 inches to the foot

- 3 feet to the yard

- 22 yards to the chain

- 10 chains to the furlong

- 8 furlongs to the mile

Using even more archaic units we can simplify further:

- 8 inches to the link

- 100 links to the chain

- 10 chains to the furlong

- 8 furlongs to the mile

And 1 acre is 1 chain by 1 furlong, or 10 square chains.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Nah I like having an app for my car. The ability to preheat/precool the car from anywhere as well as see detailed stats for every journey is worth it(for me).

It's fine to leave it in if you like those features but many people couldn't care less about them and hate the distracting popups, spying, and auto-updates that change functionality.

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Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

#205

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There are trains still running on the German rail with their displays running Windows 95/98. The embedded world in general is nuts. Unless absolutely necessary, nothing gets upgraded once a system works.

Why would that be nuts? It's not connected to the internet and it works. So why change it?

> It's not connected to the internet

It tend to be actually a false.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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The real impetus behind electric cars is vendor lock in and monitoring. It brings a clean slate to the currently robust repair market.

That's a minor reason. The major reason is profit margins. It costs a lot less to make an electric vehicle than an internal combustion vehicle because the drivetrain and control systems are so much simpler. Since Tesla made electric vehicles seem more "premium" that also set up the expectation to the buying public that electric cars should cost more. So an electric vehicle costs $9,000 to make compared to an internal…

I don't know how you ignored battery costs

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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I often convert these new fangled units back into old money. Chains per fluid ounce (Ch/FlOz) is so much easier to comprehend. I jest but that isn't as mad as our pre-decimalization currency. We were still spending coins that called themselves a shilling and calling them five pence (and 2s as 10p) for quite a few years afterwards.

Fun fact: chains and furlongs are the archaic intermediary unit that get you from our smallest unit (inches) to our largest unit (miles) in a way that isn't completely insane (i.e. "simply 5280 feet to the mile"). It's really: - 12 inches to the foot - 3 feet to the yard - 22 yards to the chain - 10 chains to the furlong - 8 furlongs to the mile Using even more archaic units we can simplify further: - 8 inches to the…

Are you calling me archaic?

A rod, pole or perch. A rod was 12 feet and it was the width of the land ploughed in a day. A furlough was the length. Roughly.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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That's a minor reason. The major reason is profit margins. It costs a lot less to make an electric vehicle than an internal combustion vehicle because the drivetrain and control systems are so much simpler. Since Tesla made electric vehicles seem more "premium" that also set up the expectation to the buying public that electric cars should cost more. So an electric vehicle costs $9,000 to make compared to an internal…

I don't know how you ignored battery costs

Hilariously batteries, even being as expensive as they are, cost less per produced vehicle than an ICE drivetrain thanks to emissions and crash regulations. In the U.S. very single engine and transmission combination for a given vehicle has to be tested individually for both fields. That drives the cost of any new generation of a given car up considerably. Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis kept ancient LX cars alive with just facelifts because paying the penalties was cheaper than testing new vehicles. We don't get a lot of cheaper world brands like SEAT or Japanese kei cars because of that, too. We lost the Focus and Fiesta in North America because Ford foolishly spent that money on the cost-amortized EcoSport instead. The companies believe it's too expensive to "federalize" these cars, and so they just don't bother with them. Meanwhile Volkswagen rushed the id.Buzz right over the Atlantic the moment they finished it because they only had to test one configuration. Same with the Fiat 500E and the Toyota bZ4X. No EPA emissions testing and only a single NHTSA test round make those EVs so much cheaper than testing the twenty six of the Toyota RAV4 or the twelve of the Volkswagen Transporter.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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> I'd pay to just not have one, but I'm not even sure that's possible any more. Yeah, some stuff makes you go through the head unit on some machines. Any replacement head unit would have to implement the same controls somehow. Wealthy will be the person who makes a generic 2 DIN head unit, where you have physical buttons which you can map to various CANBus messages.

I'm working on a generic device that sends canbus messages, that can have inputs such as potentiometer, push buttons, toggle switches, and rotary encoders. My end goal is to have real hvac controls on my Tesla, but I'd like to abstract the device as much as possible. Fun project, and most of the hardware necessary is already out there.

You're touching on a real opportunity, going down a open hardware canbus-dash computer.

This is one of those rare 'holy shit do this right now' kind of things.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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> Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. Not in my experience. I click deny almost everywhere, even if it takes more clicks, but rarely do I see the banners come up again in a second visit. Tracking my choice is a functional cookie after all. I do, however, simply close the tab when the banner occupies half the window (or I use reader mode to bypass it altogether). That's just obn…

So they only pop up every time if you force them to respect your decision by not letting them store persistent cookies in the first place? To avoid the recurring interruptions all you have to do is trust the organisation that's employing this user-hostile pattern in the first place to respect your wishes and not be user-hostile more discreetly instead? I'll tell you what is a one time deal: the explicit do not track…

It is my understanding that GDPR and CCPA both specify that consent is only needed for non-essential cookies (or some nebulous term they use) and you can make the argument that storing user preferences are essential. The laws in question don’t, however, have as strong language for the reverse case, i.e. you can ask for consent for cookies that may be considered essential and thus forbid yourself from storing the preference to deny resulting in harassment.
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