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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by consumer451 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

andreygrehov wrote: post #183

darthrupert wrote: post #177

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Of course we are focusing on the Russian part. Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west, so their spying is several factors more serious case than just a simple violation of privacy.

> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

> Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

For the same reason that despots around the world "hate the west." [0] Because it takes the domestic population's eyes off of all the domestic issues such as rampant corruption and curtailment of basic freedoms.

[0] See: Iran & North Korea who non-coincidentally are both supplying Russia with arms which are used to kill Ukrainian grandparents and children living peacefully in their villages and cities.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 0xDEF » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

andreygrehov wrote: post #183

darthrupert wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course we are focusing on the Russian part. Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west, so their spying is several factors more serious case than just a simple violation of privacy.

> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

Because Russian boomers and nationalists are hellbent on territorial irredentism to the detriment of Ukraine, the Baltic countries, and according to some of their "Greater Russia" maps even Finland.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

So what's the action items? How do we identify apps that include that Yandex SDK (apart, obviously, from those that have Yandex in their name)? How can we block sending any data to Yandex or to Ruzzia in general?

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by VK538FY » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:19 PM UTC

darthrupert wrote: post #177

NelsonMinar wrote: post #148

Folks are focussing on the Russian part of this. But Yandex just happens to be the one whose source code got analyzed; you can safely substitute "Google" or "Facebook" or any of the other various behavior advertising companies here. They're all doing similar things and it's terrific to have such a detailed analysis of how it works. Wired has a good summary if you want something more like a mainstream press article: h…

Of course we are focusing on the Russian part. Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west, so their spying is several factors more serious case than just a simple violation of privacy.

What is an enemy of the west and what is a friend of the west? Take a random western country like France. Do you know how many Franco-Russian 'cercles d'amitié' there are? Go search in Yandex... or Google. Many quite old with a noteworthy history of cultural exchange. No idea if that exists in the anglosphere (not my speciality). Washington, Brussels or the guy in the Élysée palace can't really transcend that.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by justinclift » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

slashdev wrote: post #141

dindobre wrote: post #105

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>Russian corruption doesn't generally touch Western governments No offense but the fact that someone on HN could get to this conclusion is rather shocking to me. Western Europe has plenty of russian corruption and I'm afraid the ongoing war has unearthed only a fraction of it.

For example?

Properties in London? :)

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 93po » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #193

andreygrehov wrote: post #183

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> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

"Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?" In the case of both the Balkan wars and the invasion of Ukraine, it was because staying friends with the global superpower meant that one wouldn’t get control of the lands one claimed.

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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by justinclift » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

slashdev wrote: post #176

oneshtein wrote: post #173

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They may send killers just for you. For example, they are killing Holodomor researchers around the world (genocide of Ukrainians in 1932-1934: 25 millions were starved to death, 20 millions are recorded as Russian, millions were killed or executed).

No, they won’t, because I’m nobody to them. If you’re some kind of public enemy of Russia, maybe don’t use Russian services of any variety.

> No, they won’t, because I’m nobody to them.

Maybe today. Who knows about the future though? :)

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by andreygrehov » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:37 PM UTC

SR2Z wrote: post #200

andreygrehov wrote: post #192

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Well, I can tell you for certain that they can't make Russia declare war on its neighbor and commit atrocities against civilians. As long as that's happening, the US can demonize Russia free and clear.

According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

andreygrehov wrote: post #208

SR2Z wrote: post #200

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Well, I can tell you for certain that they can't make Russia declare war on its neighbor and commit atrocities against civilians. As long as that's happening, the US can demonize Russia free and clear.

According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why.

> According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why

Its not a provocation because it was a response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, which included the occupation of Crimea, and the introduction of Russian troops and Russian-sponsored PMCs (including Wagner), and Russian weapons and other support to Russian-allied local proxy forces into Eastern Ukraine, and which was the start of the still-ongoing war.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by andreygrehov » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #209

andreygrehov wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why.

> According to François Hollande (who served as President of France from 2012 to 2017), the West has been pumping Ukraine with weapons since 2014. From my point of view, this is a provocation. If it's not for you, please explain why Its not a provocation because it was a response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, which included the occupation of Crimea, and the introduction of Russian troops and Russian-spo…

I appreciate your response. It sounds like you familiar with the topic.

You described the core of the problem as the response to a certain event (events in Crimea), meaning you answered the question of "why". Having said that, could you apply the same reasoning and explain why Russia occupied Crimea? What were the events that led to such an outcome?

Edit: as a side note, I disagree with you saying that was not a provocation. External military intervention IS a provocation. They could've tried to resolve the issue diplomatically, but they chose not to.