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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by throwaway290 »

slashdev wrote: post #141
dindobre wrote: post #105

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>Russian corruption doesn't generally touch Western governments No offense but the fact that someone on HN could get to this conclusion is rather shocking to me. Western Europe has plenty of russian corruption and I'm afraid the ongoing war has unearthed only a fraction of it.

For example?

Plenty of examples of corruption trickling out... Take Boris Johnson's granting peerage to some Russian not long ago. Corruption is a trojan horse in capitalism, money matters which is OK with honestly earned money but when money is obtained by exploitation/violence/theft it infects the system because ultra rich oligarchs can use money to get influence. Before 2014 west (UK is known for it) couldn't resist Russian dirty money much, now they are learning slowly but unfortunately there's crypto to work around sanctions etc.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by andreygrehov »

qingcharles wrote: post #184
andreygrehov wrote: post #183

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> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

Why would any sane person want to be an enemy of the West?

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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

andreygrehov wrote: post #183
darthrupert wrote: post #177

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Of course we are focusing on the Russian part. Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west, so their spying is several factors more serious case than just a simple violation of privacy.

> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

"Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?"

In the case of both the Balkan wars and the invasion of Ukraine, it was because staying friends with the global superpower meant that one wouldn’t get control of the lands one claimed.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

pphysch wrote: post #189
qingcharles wrote: post #184

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Why would any sane person want to be an enemy of the West?

IMHO it is only appropriate to call someone "insane" after genuinely trying to understand their actions and motivations.

Go try to genuinely understand the actions and motivations of Nazi Germans. Good luck, mate.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by LargeTomato »

qingcharles wrote: post #184
andreygrehov wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west Well, either that or the west has decided that Russia is the enemy. I honestly don't buy the saying "Russia has made themselves the enemy of the west". Why would anybody want to be the enemy of the global superpower?

Why would any sane person want to be an enemy of the West?

You are thinking about it in too simplistic of terms. Countries don't "want" to be "enemies". Countries act in their own best interest to maximize resources, security, etc.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by lampshades »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #13

>Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow? Depends how good the search is. Google doesn’t seem to want to provide me proper results anymore, even very basic image search tasks on google now net you only about 20 results all of which are wrong or useless. Yandex image search actually works. If you don’t want me to use the Russia…

I use Yandex whenever I feel like Google is censoring something. Turns out I feel that way a lot.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by pphysch »

throw-ru-938 wrote: post #17

Context: Yandex is in the news right now because a couple of days ago its cofounder and former CEO Arkady Volozh was caught trying to hide his Russian past [0], and today he finally issued a public statement condemning the war [1], almost 1.5 years after the full-scale invasion began. [0] https://kz.kursiv.media/en/2023-08-07/co-founder-of-yandex-e... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-yandex-volozh..…

> “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is barbaric, and I am categorically against it,” Volozh said in a statement. “I am horrified about the fate of people in Ukraine – many of them my personal friends and relatives – whose houses are being bombed every day. “Although I moved to Israel in 2014, ...

Israel cares a lot about what happens in Ukraine because it is in a similar position, a highly-militarized vanguard of the West. If Ukraine falls despite backing from Washington, what does that say about possible outcomes should a (full-scale) war break out between Israel and Iran/Arab states?

So this helps us understand Volozh's motivations.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by oneshtein »

slashdev wrote: post #176
oneshtein wrote: post #173

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They may send killers just for you. For example, they are killing Holodomor researchers around the world (genocide of Ukrainians in 1932-1934: 25 millions were starved to death, 20 millions are recorded as Russian, millions were killed or executed).

No, they won’t, because I’m nobody to them. If you’re some kind of public enemy of Russia, maybe don’t use Russian services of any variety.

> No, they won’t, because I’m nobody to them.

I can tell you more about Holodomor.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by SR2Z »

andreygrehov wrote: post #192
qingcharles wrote: post #184

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Why would any sane person want to be an enemy of the West?

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Well, I can tell you for certain that they can't make Russia declare war on its neighbor and commit atrocities against civilians. As long as that's happening, the US can demonize Russia free and clear.
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