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Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by baremetal »

gabaix wrote: post #41
anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

Some of the most populated zones of the Bay Area are built on top of superfund sites, which have high concentration of TCE underground. https://www.epa.gov/superfund-redevelopment/superfund-sites-...

I lived near the Fairchild superfund site for many years. I remember when it was a hollow husk of a concrete building. And then the paved it over and put a supermarket and whatnot there.

Growing up I knew a lot of kids that were affected by it, they were called "fairchildren" or a "fairchild".

I was born elsewhere and my family moved to the area, the kids that were born there weren't so lucky.

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Post by dcow »

justin66 wrote: post #139
throwaway2037 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too was skeptical of the original post without any references. However, your post also did not provide references. Wiki isn't great, but here is what I found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichloroethylene Fetal toxicity and concerns for carcinogenic potential of TCE led to its abandonment in developed countries by the 1980s. The use of trichloroethylene in the food and pharmaceutical industries has been banned in…

> However, your post also did not provide references. I was calling out the lies, not doing other people's research for them. People ought to understand that this stuff stays in the industrial pipeline for years (I'm avoiding the tangent that was brought to mind by another poster's mention of carbon tetrachloride...) and we are still in the process of simply classifying it according to its dangerousness. It's not clo…

Yes but it’s not a lie to say it was phased out in the 70s. Your comment would be more substantial and useful if you made whatever nuance you’re trying to highlight clear.

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by whoopdedo »

kadoban wrote: post #65
croes wrote: post #50

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Of course clickbait because you need to click to get the name.

Yeah, because if you had the name you'd have no further questions. There's just no way to condense enough important information into the headline, and the chemical name would mean nothing for 99% of people.

So instead they use wording that means nothing to 100% of people and require anyone to click through to the article to discover what they're talking about.

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by radlad »

xeromal wrote: post #177
culi wrote: post #78

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This map (from 2015) shows sites with the most TCE groundwater contamination. Bay Area is actually quite clean. LA is completely fucked though https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2018-tce/

Thanks for this. Kind of happy my state of GA has none!

It's not clear to me where this data comes from - do spots that are unmarked have none, or are they unmeasured?

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by justin66 »

dcow wrote: post #202
justin66 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, your post also did not provide references. I was calling out the lies, not doing other people's research for them. People ought to understand that this stuff stays in the industrial pipeline for years (I'm avoiding the tangent that was brought to mind by another poster's mention of carbon tetrachloride...) and we are still in the process of simply classifying it according to its dangerousness. It's not clo…

Yes but it’s not a lie to say it was phased out in the 70s. Your comment would be more substantial and useful if you made whatever nuance you’re trying to highlight clear.

> Yes but it’s not a lie to say it was phased out in the 70s

I don't understand why you would write that, particularly after having read my comments and throwaway2037's comment on this thread. "This is a chemical that is currently produced in various forms by companies and used by people in 2023" and "it was phased out in the 1970s" would seem to be mutually contradictory facts. There's no "nuance" involved. I get that we're not giving you essay-length analysis here, but... I give up.

edit: the LMGTFY for "who makes trichloroethylene": https://www.thomasnet.com/products/trichloroethylene-8767360...

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by NegativeK »

dist-epoch wrote: post #35
eimrine wrote: post #3

When you drink your coffee without caffeine in your 30 for escaping a harm from caffeine, but end up with Parkinson in your 60+.

Why would you drink coffee if not for the caffeine. It's not exactly the most delicious drink.

It's clearly a matter of opinion.

I've dropped caffeine but still really like good coffee, so I'll occasionally go out and get a cup of decaf.

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by fosk »

galleywest200 wrote: post #197
mouse_ wrote: post #182

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Ethanol is also a horrible toxin, it just happens to be common enough in nature that our bodies, and animal bodies as well, have had hundreds of thousands of years to evolve some mitigations against.

Interestingly -- when it comes to toxicology it is not the substance that determines the poison but the dose. Water is still a toxin, we just have evolved ways to handle up to a certain amount of water per day before water poisoning takes hold. Everything is a toxin, we just have it in our bodies to handle some of it.

Wouldn't there be another word for this effect? It's not that water per se is toxic, is that eventually if you have a lot, your body "overflows". Being toxic is not an intrinsic property of the element, but is being derived by its quantity.

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Post by xenonite »

rob74 wrote: post #32
swarnie wrote: post #18

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What is Tricholoroethylene? "A widely used chemical" ....

"Widely used chemical Tricholoroethylene strongly linked to Parkinson"

“Parkinson links strongly from widely used chemical Tricholoroethylene”

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by xadhominemx »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #121
anaisbetts wrote: post #24

Widely used chemical *(that was generally phased out in the 70s) linked to Parkinson's. Still important, but you don't need to start searching product labels in 2023 for it.

TCE is present at Lowry in Denver, an old air force base that is now a huge development of multi-million dollar homes and townhomes. This article is from 2000, before the housing development began. People knew TCE was there but the housing development happened anyway https://extras.denverpost.com/news/news1126.htm It’s also at Stapleton, another huge residential area, and previously Denver’s primary airport: “At the…

Its certainly in the soil and groundwater - but why would it be in the air?

Re: Widely used chemical strongly linked to Parkinson’s disease

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Post by uoaei »

culi wrote: post #78
gabaix wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the most populated zones of the Bay Area are built on top of superfund sites, which have high concentration of TCE underground. https://www.epa.gov/superfund-redevelopment/superfund-sites-...

This map (from 2015) shows sites with the most TCE groundwater contamination. Bay Area is actually quite clean. LA is completely fucked though https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2018-tce/

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/toxic-chemical-fou...

> The Oakland Unified School district announced the temporary closure of the McClymonds to test for the chemical tricloroethylene (TCE), which was found in groundwater under the campus.

> "This is West Oakland and so there is a history of environmental injustice, of racial injustice that happens in this community. So these are places where there are leaks, there are dumps, there are things like that that are not healthy for our community," said Jumoke Hinton Hodge, Oakland Board of Education District 3 Director.

> McClymonds has recently seen a handful of students and former students develop cancer, including the high-profile cases Darryl Aikens, a McClymonds football player who died of leukemia a month after graduating in 2017, as well as 2018 graduate Ramone Sanders, who died of cancer last fall. Sanders was playing football at Laney College when he broke his leg and it was discovered he had bone cancer that spread to his lungs.

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