This article ignores the pruning that is happening. A human evaluated every output from ChatGPT and Stable Diffusion for 'things humans care about' and if it didn't make the cut deleted it. All the spam output from these models is deleted immediately.
Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
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#202I think this is spot-on. The models are trained from what they find on the Internet, as more of the Internet becomes AI-generated, the AI-generated content comes to dominate the training data for future AI models and we get stuck.
It's like Kessler Syndrome but instead of space debris, it's AI-generated content that makes the Internet useless for training data.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thinking of my confusion as a British person, the first time I heard about Americans having “biscuits and gravy”. Or the time an American recipe guide got confused in the other direction about the British traditional Christmas “mince pie” and put minced meat in instead of mincemeat (which, despite the name, is vegetarian).
I dunno, Digestive Biscuits dipped in gravy also sounds pretty good?
The set of all things that don’t go well with gravy is vacuously empty.
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#204> Those "artificial" creations are also uploaded on the Internet. Those artificial artefacts are now part of the statistical data.
> Do you see where it leads?
This reminds me of one of the philosophers cited as inspiration for The Matrix,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baudrillard#Simulacra_and...
This guy sums up pretty much how I felt about this since when those images started poring on social media.
This will serve, once again, capitalism and it's absurd race towards the bottom, lowest common denominator.
It's not hard to extrapolate here and imagine that AI will be able to produce a full fledged "super hero" movie, starting from a storyboard & script. What do you put in the script? Well of course you just feed it all the keywords that gave maximized returns!
I for one, am not entertained at the thought of going to the movies watching the 1000th super hero movie but that's exactly where we're going.
Here's my somewhat prediction: the big picture is we are accelerating the end of entertainment as we know it today. We are going to make entertainment so shallow, so pointless, that we will eventually lose interest with it, and with it, as has been prophesized in many spiritual teachings, there will be a return to a more animalistic/spiritual kind of being. As technology improves our lives, we will no longer need to numb ourselves down in front of a screen after coming home from work, so we won't even see the point of even doing that. We will be able to live more in the present, more with the real and less with symbols and abstractions. The type of attention you may enjoy after a long silent retreat, will become the normal way of being... of course there is also the other possibility that Ian Mc Gilchrist cautions about... that our brains will get so out of balance that we will become stupid enough to collapse as a civilization.
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#205Sorry, I had to do it. I asked GPT3... How can we prevent drowning in garbage generated by AI? > Preventing drowning in AI-generated garbage can be a challenging task, but there are a few things that can be done to reduce the amount of garbage that is generated. One approach is to carefully design and train AI systems to generate high-quality content, rather than relying on large amounts of data to produce mediocre r…
That's honestly one of the best comments in this entire thread. Instead of veering predictably into philosophy or anecdote, it provides concrete and feasible steps toward improvement. No better way to make the point that "AI generated" is not the problem and "garbage" is.
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#206Frank Herbert was onto something with that line "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."
"Butlerian Jihad" that was the most surprising for me reading Dune that they had a limit on how smart computers could be. The movie was very vague on the subject, and was more of a Star Wars like lo-fi.
It was even more surprising if you realize that "Butlerian" is referring to the 19th century writer Samuel Butler (although, yes, Herbert later invented a character to explain the name in-universe). Samuel Butler wrote an 1863 essay "Darwin Among the Machines" which predicted that machines would improve in a way analogous to natural selection and would so so faster than humans could evolve, and therefore they might eventually surpass humanity.
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#207Won’t help. This will be used at scale THIS YEAR and every subsequent year to infiltrate social networks including this one and amass points / karma / followers / clout. And also to write articles that will eventually dwarf all human-generated content. With this and deepfakes and image/video generation, the age of trusting or caring about internet content or your friends sharing online is coming to an end. But it wil…
What will be the societal management of this? Will every single human get issued a unique very long cryptographic ID and every single thing a human does will be recorded with this ID, stored on a blockchain to prevent tampering with it, preventing bots from obtaining valid IDs? Then any questions about the authorship of any media will be answered by a quick lookup, filtering out bots, killing privacy in turn?
Will trusted search results be restricted to before the "botocalypse" and everything afterwards will be discarded?
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#208People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…
I we have already seen this play out in music though. Computers let anyone record music when it use to cost thousands of dollars to record music. The results have been a disaster outside the top 1% of music makers. Such a dramatic change that anyone under 30 doesn't even know what has been lost at this point. Music as a whole is laughably less creative as "popular" / pop music established total dominance. The money a…
Sorry but no, this is completely the wrong take. Popular music is less diverse today for the same reason that half the movies released now are Marvel - art is more commoditized, and businesses are more data driven, with the shift towards more public companies also playing a role, as they can't take as many risks as private companies.
What cheap music production tools have done is allow niche subcultures to create music that actually sounds good. Punk, metal and early hip hop all grew from people sharing rare tapes that were poorly produced and sounded like shit, but were a breath of creative fresh air. Now people's unusual creative divergences are stream-able and have production quality close to that of stuff on major labels.
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#209I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…
"Makes me uneasy" stands for "makes me want to be careful", and imo this is an essential motif in engineering practice. The key is to remind ourselves that food is engineering, and with inputs and outputs which could have vast ramifications for human health and safety. GMO should be regulated and systematically evaluated by an array of public oversight systems. The concern is that it requires PhD levels of knowledge and scientific mindedness to understand and evaluate GMO in a pragmatic, effective way (that doesn't dive into religious pseudoscience---I'm looking at you DNA-free bottled water). An even huger problem is that understanding this issue in a broad sense requires renaissance person levels of capabilities and personal sensitivity. (Does it matter that food is complex, interesting, driving unique sensory experiences? Let's make it sweet baby, that hits in the taste tests.)
The same is true, perhaps even more so, for our information diet. It defines our reality.
Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting
#210I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…
You’ve illustrated two things, one spot on and one true but in the opposite direction. 100% agreed that AI is like early industrialization in that we don’t even know the messes we’re creating, and wild excess is likely to haunt us. But GMO foods are the opposite: people feeling “uneasy” is not an indication of harm. All foods are GMO. People are just uncomfortable with the modifications being in a lab rather than ove…
> All foods are GMO
Is there a even a remote chance that say bits of Mammalian dna ends up in a crop via natural selection? The economic issues around GMOs are clear. The biosphere impact is not clear and there are questions: what can happen if we introduce new vectors in ecologies that have evolved over many orders of magnitude longer timelines?
The “unease” comes from the knowledge that in Nature there is always a reaction to an action. And the nature of this natural reaction (which will unfold in time, just like humans picking up agriculture) is not fully understood. It is a reasonable (read: ~substantiated) emotional response, imo.