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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

Hmmm, this probably will change when the Digital Markets Act starts.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Is there a reason to allow a tech company to arbitrarily emphasize ostracization and bullying to increase their bottom line? I know there are common accusations of fan-boyism in both directions but I would hope this community can unite in calling out Apple over their messenger bullshit. Real stakeholders at Apple need to realize how damaging this profit optimization is.

But Apple isn't doing any of that. They invented a ton of new messaging features that SMS didn't support, and the phone has to make it clear which conversations support those and which don't. So they had blue bubbles replace existing green ones. Ostracization and bullying is what teens do for a thousand different reasons over a thousand different things. Yes Apple is responsible for creating a walled garden of messag…

Or they could just open iMessage to android...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Because owning an Android means you‘re poor.

I think the common take on the "Apple tax" is a false impression. A sort of knee-jerk reflex when seeing the price tag, without any further thought. Every brand has a premium product segment with premium price tags. The difference is that Apple doesn't have a budget segment with budget price tags.

I think Apple have a pretty big range these days. There are older models and the se. There’s also a pretty vibrant second hand / refurbished market. Perhaps one issue is that devices can still be somewhat expensive secondhand but that’s because they are still good quality and expected to last (eg being supported and getting updates) for a long time – the alternative would surely be the kind of complaints about planned obsolescence or poor resale value that seem more fitting for the typical androids device (I’m not sure about premium. Maybe typical android devices get more updates these days).

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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RCS is less of an industry standard than iMessage. Apple built something better. So did Google. Then Google killed theirs. Then they did the same thing three more times. It's no wonder nobody wants to use Google messaging, and that Google resorts to smear campaigns. People would rather use WhatsApp spyware from FB/Meta or totally unencrypted Discord/Slack than bother with another Google IM product (which, let's be cl…

> PS: Apple preserves a backdoor in the end to end crypto of iMessage for government surveillance that allows Apple to read all iMessages. That’s configurable. By default a user can access them from other devices, but that feature can be disabled.

It's on by default, so everyone you iMessage with has it on, and is sending your plaintext to Apple in the unencrypted iCloud Backup.

Your turning it off has no effect. Most messages are backed up twice.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Since we're trading anecdotes, none of the iOS engineers on my team have Android phones, but about half of the Android engineers have iPhones.

That's insane -- your engineers should be dogfooding their stuff. It's 2022.

In theory I agree, but we have something like 10k employees and millions of users per platform per day, so our code is pretty well vetted.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

It would be great if the general population would switch to another messaging app (or better yet a protocol that multiple clients support). I get the sense that this is how WhatsApp is used in other countries. It feels like a real regression to be using SMS based messaging in 2022. Seems like iMessage succeeds only by sheer numbers and ignorance of the general population.

There are a lot of things that succeed due to the ignorance of the population

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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post #168

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

It would be great if the general population would switch to another messaging app (or better yet a protocol that multiple clients support). I get the sense that this is how WhatsApp is used in other countries. It feels like a real regression to be using SMS based messaging in 2022. Seems like iMessage succeeds only by sheer numbers and ignorance of the general population.

Messaging is pretty fascinating. WhatsApp, KakaoTalk, WeChat, Line, Telegram, iMessage all so strongly dominate their respective set of countries/regions and a lot of them have their own distinct set of user mannerisms/memes.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

Let’s not forget that on the original iPhone, all the bubbles were green because it only had sms. When iMessage came to the iPhone, Apple didn’t intend to rule the world with blue bubbles, blue was just an indication that you were talking to one of the few other iPhone users.

I definitely think part of it was to make those iMessages more visually appealing. I don’t think they knew how well it was going to work, but to some degree I do think this is what they were going for.
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