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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by nucatus »

dahfizz wrote: post #166

Is this just mandating the physical plug? USB-C has a near infinite number of power delivery and/or data modes. Not to mention thunderbolt, display port, etc which are totally different protocols running on the same physical cable as USB-C. How will this legislation be maintained? Are Europeans going to be stuck to USB-C in 30 years, when the rest of the world has phones that charge wirelessly in 10 seconds and last…

The core of the law is to have the same standard across the entire consumer products. Which basically it is already, only Apple having the power to ask you more money for unnecessary accessories whilst contributing to more e-waste, even if they talk against it - hypocricy detected.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by whiddershins »

I genuinely believe if Apple thought USB-C was better for the phone they would have implemented it.

For one thing, I suspect it is harder to the make the phone as thin, or as waterproof, with the bigger connector.

Apple also doesn’t have a monopoly, Android has far larger market share globally than they do.

I’m confused what is supposed to happen as new connectors are developed, will the Eu prevent progress on phone connectors or does this law have a sunset?

I’m having trouble seeing a bright side here. If we’d had this law before we would all be stuck using mini-usb.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by vladvasiliu »

kioleanu wrote: post #190
danielheath wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This I really don't get. It reads as though you're saying that non-apple cables are cheaper and better, and also that mandating USB-C is valuable because it means you don't have to buy cables from apple.

Most certainly there are cables that are much better than the ones Apple is selling. I’ve been an iPhone/iPad user for more than 10 years and I no longer use Apple cables because they are gone in 6-8 months. This is an issue they had from the very beginning and which they utterly ignored. In contrast, I bought an usb-c cable from one plus 5 years ago, which is still in perfect condition. With the iPhones, I use cable…

So... you can buy non-Apple cables for your lightning iPhone that work well. So... there's no problem?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by abracadabra_ »

wincy wrote: post #173
thefz wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I use the same Baseus 65-W power brick for two phones and two laptops very, very conveniently. And GAN chargers are a third of the size of traditional power bricks. Also, who cares about magsafe? Only Apple laptops have it. I think the move to USB-C is a smart one, it can even reach 100W. Speeds are insane too.

Gaming laptops draw over 100W. Won’t this eliminate an entire market of laptops that require specialized plugs that can deliver more power? Or else you’ll end up with the dreaded “dies while it’s plugged in” situation.

"...laptops that are rechargeable via a wired cable, operating with a power delivery of up to 100 Watts, will have to be equipped with a USB Type-C port"

From: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220930IP...

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by ReptileMan »

wiredfool wrote: post #160
tgv wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank God nobody ever standardized electrical plugs. I'd hate being able to plug my vacuum cleaner and laptop in the same outlet.

There are at least 3 different standards for wall plugs in the Eu.

And europlug is compatible with all of them for low powered devices.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by temprose »

0x0 wrote: post #153

What happens when "USB-D" is designed? Will it be illegal to upgrade to in Europe? Also I wonder if this will push Apple to go wireless-only.

The connector can still remain the same while the internal changes. USB-C is just the connector head. Look at USB4 that still uses the USB-C head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by ksidudwbw »

counttheforks wrote: post #171
gizmo wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 4 year old iPhone still works perfectly, but a $200 Android will find its way to a landfill way sooner. As a rule of thumb, appliances that last are better for the environment than cheap products. Apple is good at make devices that last. Nowadays all laptops can charge over usb-c (including Apple laptops, mind you!). Did anybody have to force Apple to do this? No, because charging technology improved so much that w…

> A 4 year old iPhone still works perfectly, but a $200 Android will find its way to a landfill way sooner Not really, though. I'm using one and it's just fine. Nonsense aside... > Nowadays all laptops can charge over usb-c (including Apple laptops, mind you!). Did anybody have to force Apple to do this? No Yes. That's what the EU has been doing by talking about forcing the standardization. Dollars to donuts that app…

Android uses RAM as planned obselesence when they stop giving security updates to your old OS. The updated OS always uses more RAM and slows the phone down because of swapping to disk

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by rocqua »

gizmo wrote: post #143
counttheforks wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because apple refuses to play ball otherwise. Capitalism has failed and is now producing tonnes of unnecessary e-waste.

A 4 year old iPhone still works perfectly, but a $200 Android will find its way to a landfill way sooner. As a rule of thumb, appliances that last are better for the environment than cheap products. Apple is good at make devices that last. Nowadays all laptops can charge over usb-c (including Apple laptops, mind you!). Did anybody have to force Apple to do this? No, because charging technology improved so much that w…

Why has apple bucked this 20 year trend for iPhone charging? Much progress has been made, but never at this place. For a long time, it has looked like they will, but they never did. The EU finally got impatient and decided this mandate was needed to get apple to do this.

Note that the threat of a law like this is what caused many other manufacturers to standardize. If Apple gets a pass, what does that signal to the manufacturers who caved, and to everyone else. I would wager it tells them "the eu makes empty threats". This was the result of Apple saying "bluff" to EU demands, and the EU deciding to follow through.

Apple could have prevented this. The EU sort of had its hands bound when it started the process of pushing everyone to one charging. That process was largely very valuable, for apple specifically it isn't that important. But leaving the process incomplete would send the wrong message. Hence I think that Apple is at fault for this regrettable law as the EU is.

This is a bad law that is the result of a process that was, on balance, still very valuable. This law is a small element in the minus column, that does not weigh against the many elements in the plus column. The process I refer to is the EU push to get manufactures to use the same charging port.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by temprose »

bb123 wrote: post #182

What happens when we want to move on from USBC? Do we need a stamp of approval from the EU to do it? No thanks.

The connector can still remain the same while the internal changes. USB-C is just the connector head. Look at USB4 that still uses the USB-C head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB4

It's just like we have new modern electronics, but they are all able to plug into the same wall sockets. I don't have to remodel my home.

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