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Post by samatman »

thebigjewbowski wrote: post #198
samatman wrote: post #188

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I can answer this actually. I bulged a disk in my back, new job, no health insurance. My boss was a friend and knew I was a weirdo. I would bike (!) to work, take a keytip of ketamine, program for about an hour, lay down, do a gravity inversion (had one shipped to the house we were using as an office), do another minimal key, I could get three, maybe four of those out of a day. I hate the effect of opiates except for…

That’s great to hear! It does seem to be gaining in popularity for anxiety and depression. I really can’t imagine it being as destructive as opiates having known plenty of people who have done both to the extent of having a habit with only opiates ruining people’s lives and killing some them. As far as I understand it ketamine is more of a psychological dependence than a physical one. Time will tell I suppose.

I said "habit-forming" rather than "addictive" for a reason, yes. That habit can be quite physically destructive, you can find papers on the effects of a heavy habit out of China which are somewhat toe-curling. It's not capable of stopping breathing or causing cardiac arrest, dying of an overdose isn't practical.

However, ketamine can make the brain go... weird. Like cocaine and amphetamine, habitual/binge use gets psychotogenic, and while bizarre delusions won't usually kill you (or anyone else), they can absolutely fuck up relationships, or earn someone a brand-new one with the authorities. Opiates, for all their terrible flaws, don't do this.

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Post by nobody9999 »

pstuart wrote: post #200
nobody9999 wrote: post #173

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>The only thing that would touch that pain was opioids. I had a similar experience, albeit (and thankfully so) much more short term. I had spine surgery (lumbar laminotomy[0]) to address spinal stenosis[1] that significantly weakened my right leg and was prescribed oxycodone after the surgery. I had prepared for this by acquiring significant amounts of cannabis (concentrate, butter and flower) to address the pain, bu…

I find kratom superior to cannabis in this regard. Of course kratom is not without concerns, but in the scheme of things they're just unpleasant rather than deadly.

>I find kratom superior to cannabis in this regard. Of course kratom is not without concerns, but in the scheme of things they're just unpleasant rather than deadly.

Is your implication here that cannabis is deadly, or am I misunderstanding your point?

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Post by giantg2 »

scarface74 wrote: post #153
giantg2 wrote: post #152

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I'm not sure what you're talking about...

It doesn’t matter how much “documentation” you have, if the criminal justice system wants to target you it will.

Yeah... I'm saying the documentation that you have a medical marijuana make it more likely they would target you, because it's not that difficult to cross-reference various government lists (marijuana database and NICS).

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Post by treeman79 »

avgDev wrote: post #185
treeman79 wrote: post #99

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Have a mix of nerve pain and a number of kidney stones. A bad kidney stone will leave you suicidal after awhile. Tramadol was only thing that go me through those. Nerve pain is harder as it’s long term. Never as bad as a kidney stone. But it is it something you can live with indefinitely. Tramadol works. But then you get long term addiction. I would stop for a month every few months just to detox some. Eventually I d…

I have some nerve pain. I tried LDN for maybe a month and it did nothing for me. What dosage are you and how long have you been taking it before seeing an improvement?

4.5 Started at 1.5. Fairly quick results. Only side effects being externally vivid dreams. After a week went to 3, week later to 4.5 I alternate between 3 and 4.5 mostly because dreams can be a bit much. But pain reduction is great.

I have Sjogrens autoimmune as underlying condition.

Other trick I found was I was taking a b complex. Removing the b-6 seemed to help.

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Post by yodsanklai »

soared wrote: post #189
yodsanklai wrote: post #186

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> cannabis was insufficient to address the pain. Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity. This is fine for a recreational usage, but for a therapeutic usage, it's a serious problem. Especially when alternatives exist.

Totally unable to do any activity is not a side affect of cannabis. If that happens to you, you’ve taken too much.

If you take one puff, it's not going to work as a painkiller either...

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Post by yodsanklai »

nobody9999 wrote: post #190
yodsanklai wrote: post #186

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> cannabis was insufficient to address the pain. Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity. This is fine for a recreational usage, but for a therapeutic usage, it's a serious problem. Especially when alternatives exist.

>Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity. This is fine for a recreational usage, but for a therapeutic usage, it's a serious problem. Especially when alternatives exist. I disagree. There are varying levels of pain. The pain from being cut open and (metaphorically speaking) my spine scraped out with gardening tools, then bei…

I consume cannabis occasionally and recreationally. I tested it for different types of pain. Back pain, nerve pain... For me, the effect was mild to none. But if I want any effect at all, I need to consume so much that I'm not productive.

I also know people who smoke cannabis all the time and are able to work. But I suspect their tolerance is so high that it's also ineffective as a pain killer.

Of course, this is anecdata as well. I'm willing to concede that on some very specific cases, cannabis may work as a painkiller (right type of pain, right dosage and so on). But I'm convinced there are always better conventional choices. And same thing for anxiety, depression, sleeping issue, and most things people try to advocate cannabis for.

Cannabis should be legal for recreational use, and may have some niche therapeutical applications. But it's certainly not a miracle drug as some people try to picture it.

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Post by err4nt »

nobody9999 wrote: post #202
pstuart wrote: post #200

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I find kratom superior to cannabis in this regard. Of course kratom is not without concerns, but in the scheme of things they're just unpleasant rather than deadly.

>I find kratom superior to cannabis in this regard. Of course kratom is not without concerns, but in the scheme of things they're just unpleasant rather than deadly. Is your implication here that cannabis is deadly, or am I misunderstanding your point?

Maybe not, I read that as compared to opioids, both Cannabis and Kratom being safer, with this person saying Kratom is more useful than Cannabis for this. Hopefully I read that right!

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Post by freedomben »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #187
freedomben wrote: post #49

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You're not the only one - it does me as well. But unfortunately, the people who make the rules don't care about our suffering.

What an odd statement. I had shoulder surgery not all that long ago and they prescribed me 100 Oxy's (far too many) and I took one of them. I was woken up with waves of paranoia and nausea... obviously the dosage was too high. I'm 5'7 and 170-180 lbs, so not large. I took Acetaminophen for about a week and was fine. If I was to say that no one cared about suffering because people are prescribed Oxy for pain simply be…

You're several years behind on the status quo. 90% of the time they don't even give pain pills anymore post surgery, and when they do they'll give you a 1 to 3 day supply at most. If you need more than that, "Tylenol extra strength".

When I say the people who make the rules don't care, that's what I'm talking about. And a bunch of people who support this new model will say "just use cannabis." You can find examples all throughout this thread

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Post by tsol »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #102
loudmax wrote: post #85

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I imagine it has a lot to do with the type of pain. I don't think I'd want canniboids for a sharp pain, and certainly not for anything intense. But for a chronic pain or some kind of ache where you're taking medication over a long term, a daily dose of cannabis has got to be much better than any kind of opiate.

Nah, I have chronic pain. Muscle stuff (back, hips). And arthritis. They're insantly worse the moment I consume. I know it's hard for those who enjoy cannabis to understand this. But for me it's a highly unpleasant drug. Maybe the most unpleasant of the various recreational substances I've taken over the year. For me it's pain and paranoia. In the milieux I was in in my 20s it was constantly around, and wow, was I ev…

Everyone is different, and no drug is for everyone. Caffeine gives me migraines

Re: Cannabis legalization decreases stock market value of major pharmaceutical firms

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Post by tsol »

freedomben wrote: post #49
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #36

Surely I'm not the only person for who cannabis just makes pain far worse. In fact I know I'm not I've heard it from other people. Opiates are spooky, but ... they work really well.

You're not the only one - it does me as well. But unfortunately, the people who make the rules don't care about our suffering.

This is a little known problem now. But it's big in the chronic pain community. Doctors hesitate to prescribe opiates now because of the consensus of the public in threads like these. But there are people with very bad chronic pain who can't get it now. People for whom life is torture without proper pain management. This led to a rash of suicides in the community from people that couldn't handle it. Unfortunately people naively think because Marijuana worked for them it'll work for everyone. There's a reason humanity has been using opiates for literal millenia; the are the only truly effective painkiller we have
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