The ARM ecosystem is really hobbled by the lack of a standard boot loader and device tree mechanism, and the RISC-V ecosystem is heading down the same path. There are several good Open Source implementations of IEEE-1275 Open Firmware available now (see https://github.com/openbios for some). Everyone should just use it instead of implementing their own solutions, to keep the boot loader independent of the operating s…
Or UEFI, which works fine on ARM & RISC-V.
Why I left Pine64
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Re: Why I left Pine64
#202At best, the Pinephone is buggy software on low priced but mediocre hardware. It has always been like this, and it is not going to change. There is nobody willing to spend the millions of dollars it would take to make it otherwise. Meanwhile, AOSP is fully working, open source Linux-based phone software that runs on lots of modern hardware from a variety of manufacturers. Distributions like GrapheneOS have put huge e…
Try changing the default DNS in AOSP from 8.8.8.8 without doing ill advised, hacky weird nonsense. Have you tried to prevent your AOSP phone from reporting tethering to your carrier in the last ~6 years? The software is licensed GPL, which means you own it outright as a user, to it's core, right? So these types of things should be possible with ease with a little technical proficiency, right? Android, including AOSP,…
Re: Why I left Pine64
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like you're inferring qualities in OSS that don't (explicitly) exist. This is not uncommon. Specifically; >> It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity Why would you expect them to do anything different? Companies are driven by profit, not some sense of morality. OSS licenses allow them, even encourage them, to trade volunteer (aka free…
> I feel like you're inferring qualities in OSS that don't (explicitly) exist. This is not uncommon. Specifically; > >> It seems the large corporations like FANGs are largely pushing OSS to use volunteer work to make software a commodity > Why would you expect them to do anything different? Companies are driven by profit, not some sense of morality. OSS licenses allow them, even encourage them, to trade volunteer (ak…
I'm intrigued enough to ask how you think users and developers could have stopped it? Or, indeed why you would want it to? The success of OSS I would contend is _because_ of large company adoption.
>> I think you misunderstand me,
I did, although I'm not sure my misunderstanding changes my point. Your clarification though is helpful to narrowing the question.
>> Regarding investment, I expect that FANGs still very much come out on top,
Naturally. But you're selecting for companies that are successful. Compared to the millions of failed startups who added precisely zero to OSS.
>> just imagine what they had to pay in licencing cost for their datacentres if no oss operating systems existed.
Who would they have to pay? MS I guess. Maybe Sun? And that's an improvement because...?
I mean, sure, they get their OS for free. But the so do you and me. This lowers the barrier to entry for everyone. I can run the same OS as Netflix, at no cost, so that's one step towards a Netflix killer. On the other hand what Netflix does is OS neutral. Their value isn't the OS, its above it.
>> Also much of these investments are towards use cases with very little benefit for normal users.
They naturally spend their money improving things that matter to them. I'm not sure I agree about the benefit through. Comparing the Linux of today with 15 years ago, I would argue that the standard has increased immeasurably so I would say a net gain for all of us.
Or take mozillla, which is mostly funded by Google. Yes, they fund for a reason, but Firefox is a net gain.
>> but when OSS started to become more mainstream many (including myself) believed that it would be a way to break the stranglehold of large monopolistic corporations on the software world
I think we're getting to the heart of your complaint here. And I feel like my original reply applies here as well.
Firstly I'm not sure that large companies have a stranglehold on software at all. There are more small companies, or individuals, creating software now than there ever were before. When I started out, to sell software, first you had to sell a computer (I kid you not.) Actually, first you had to _buy_ a computer, and they were a Lot more expensive then (in raw $, no inflation adjustment required.)
Actually we also had to buy DOS, (which was peanuts compared to Unix), and developer tools also cost real money. Getting started as a developer was expensive.
Today its completely different. OSS provides a free OS, free developer tools, free documentation, and all on hardware you can buy for >> and create an ecosystem of relatively small software companies that would customise OSS software for specific needs on a relatively even playing field.
It's not a zero sum game, far from it. Companies customising OSS exist (but you can't really grow doing that). Lots more companies are building their own software using OSS tools etc. My own software benefits from things like CEF (thanks Google).
Their success is not your problem. Because their secret sauce is not software. The playing field _is_ level. 99% of programmers do not work for a FAANG.
Your hope for relatively small companies exist everywhere, but you've not heard of them all precisely because they are small.
>> what FOSS could have achieved (and people imagined) but didn't. I sometimes wonder if FOSS has made the world a better place, like many hoped it would.
So let me say this. You should not be disillusioned. FOSS has immesurably made the world better. It touches all our lives every day, whether we know it or not.
It is the nature of successful companies to grow. OSS cannot somehow prevent that. Nor should it. Nor should we look to them as saviours and expect them somehow to fund us.
IBM, Sun, DEC, HP, Microsoft, Oracle - all behemoths from the past (not included in FAANG). Today's giants are tomorrow's legacy companies.
OSS _has_ made the world a better place. But then again so has paid software. Software is a net good. Hardware is forever getting cheaper.
So I'll return to my point. I'm not sure that your disappointment is a function of FOSS failure, but rather a misunderstanding of what Foss set out to, and ultimately achieved.
Celebrate it not for what it might have been, but rather for what it is - because what it is, is pretty great.
Re: Why I left Pine64
#204Given their niche business model, Pine64 is probably barely staying alive, especially in the age of COVID-19 and recession. I do hope they are able to offer open source range of devices, even with limitations. Stepping back from emotions, MicroSD booting is usually quite useless, tried that quite a bit on Chromebooks and everything keeps hanging waiting for I/O. Given limited resources, maybe they are hard pressed to…
Re: Why I left Pine64
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Damn, somehow SHiFT phones have been flying completely under my radar. The SHiFT 6mq looks amazing if it'd be feasible to get pmOS running on it. A quick search yield a lot of results, all in German. Do you think it's realistic to expect the power situation to be(come) better than it is on the PPP today?
I think it already is better than the PPP. Also the SDM845 is very very fast and a lot more power efficient compared to the current pine64 offerings. A few postmarketOS developers are working on improving the support for the SHIFT hardware and it seems to be going great.
Re: Why I left Pine64
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Damn, somehow SHiFT phones have been flying completely under my radar. The SHiFT 6mq looks amazing if it'd be feasible to get pmOS running on it. A quick search yield a lot of results, all in German. Do you think it's realistic to expect the power situation to be(come) better than it is on the PPP today?
See [1]. You can use Firefox Translations to translate the website locally. It goes for 655 EUR and has AMOLED, a feature I miss with my FP4. Both are popular smartphones in Germany but Fairphone is more internationally oriented. If you can wait a year you might wanna check the successor Shiftmu [2] [1] https://shop.shiftphones.com/shift6mq.html [2] https://shop.shiftphones.com/shiftmu.html
Was more curious about reviews and user experiences.
Re: Why I left Pine64
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can play 4k videos and it can play games, but expecting it to play 4k videos through an unoptimized browser with DRM and play virtualized games is extremely disingenuous.
Are your feet sore from moving the goalposts that far?
Re: Why I left Pine64
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Democarcy I guess. https://www.pine64.org/2022/01/31/pinephone-community-poll-r... (I don't know why, but it was the most popular distro in the pine64 poll)
Manjaro with Plasma Mobile had been the default for more than a year when that poll was conducted. If you look at the results, you will notice that Manjaro is not the most popular distro for people who use the phone as a daily driver. This indicates that people who keep Manjaro are less likely to actually use the Pine phone as a phone. So it seems that the reason it is the most popular is that is the default. If you…
Re: Why I left Pine64
#209It's really unfortunate. I remember being excited about the pinephone. I had no idea this was happening behind the scenes. Why elevate Manjaro if others were doing the work? Why was that decision made? It doesn't make any sense to me. Thanks for all the work you've done!
Why? Democarcy I guess. https://www.pine64.org/2022/01/31/pinephone-community-poll-r... (I don't know why, but it was the most popular distro in the pine64 poll)