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Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by krageon » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 9:08 AM UTC

rchaud wrote: post #152

krageon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why would I suddenly need a change? Because your designers need a reason to still exist, and redesigning an entire application is what that reason becomes.

If this was true, why don't product managers just hand design tasks over to Fiverr or Upwork? Surely everyone would be happy if you only paid for design when you needed it.

Because contractor work is categorically worse than salaried work, outside of very high pay grades. Bear in mind my prejudice is entirely based on my professional experience. Perhaps a magical land exists where this is not the case, but it's not the one I live in.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by hnbad » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:32 AM UTC

viraptor wrote: post #80

hnbad wrote: post #7

Is it tho? The article cites only two examples: Figma and Gumroad. While Figma obviously has the potential to influence lots of designs by being a design tool, it also seems to match the style much less directly than Gumroad. And while Gumroad is apparently a great example, two off-mainstream sites are hardly enough to base such an extremely broad claim on. Plus this style is not really new. It seems more like a reha…

Yeah, it looks to me like another source that tries to make some style a thing. Like the neumorphism which seemed to be most popular on sites with mock-up designs rather than in actual implementations. I've yet to see either that or neobrutalism in the wild.

I was also surprised to see "glassmorphism" dropped without further elaboration like that. While neumorphism was certainly popular on mock-up designs (i.e. something designers enjoyed toying with for a while), "glassmorphism" just looks like acrylic taken to the extreme and acrylic is everywhere -- except it's used as a design element rather than as the foundation of an entire style.

I guess the site is biased as saying something is a trend means you can make more money off teaching designers to emulate it.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by tpm » Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:45 AM UTC

michaelscott wrote: post #200

tpm wrote: post #123

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> brutalism is concerned with total utilitarianism and a complete lack of artifice That would be functionalism. > It contrasts itself with minimalism by taking it to the extreme and creating an almost anti-human aesthetic. Exactly, and this anti-human aesthetic, inhumanity, intimidation implies that the building must have an emotional or aesthetic impact on the visitor, which is in conflict with the proclaimed utilit…

An architectural style can do more than one thing, i.e. it can be both utilitarian in its aesthetic and also be anti-human in its output. Philosophically, I'm not sure these are mutually exclusive but I suppose that's debatable.

> it can be both utilitarian in its aesthetic and also be anti-human in its output

What I am trying to say is that its 'anti-human' aesthetic is in conflict with professed utilitarism, because it adds elements that are superfluous to the utility. And I think for a part of brutalist architecture this is pretty clearly a break with functionalism/modernism and a precursor (one of many) to postmodern architecture. But I'll leave this to the experts.

Re: Neubrutalism is taking over the web?

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Post by boomlinde » Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 8:55 AM UTC

klez wrote: post #59

tgv wrote: post #33

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Not according to the dictionary. brutal, adjective savagely violent: a brutal murder. • unpleasant or harsh • direct and without attempting to disguise unpleasantness

"Brutal" comes via the French brutal from latin brutus (brute). The "brut" in French "béton brut" which is the expression from which "brutalist" comes from, has the same root, but in that French expression "brut" has more the meaning of "raw" rather than "savagely violent".

We see "brutal" in that sense in English too, e.g. "brutal honesty" which is not meant to imply that the honesty is savagely violent, but that it's raw and unadorned.