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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by samwillis »

easymodex wrote: post #110
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

Useless anecdotal evidence from my wife’s hairdresser, she has just been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having a Moderna booster, she thinks it’s linked…

Could be linked, probably not.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by wyattpeak »

verisimi wrote: post #188
EnKopVand wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work. Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (w…

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Why would you expect it to be similar to the flu? Covid is entirely unrelated to the flu.

SARS killed fifteen percent of people who got it. Was that due to treatment, since the flu doesn't do that?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by [deleted] »

agumonkey wrote: post #194
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Adding to this, I'm not sure I had COVID, but 1) I had cardiac troubles before the pandemic, 2) did many months of bike to gain back some average cardiovascular health 3) I got vaccinated in Jan, and now my heart is doing different things (less fatigue but more and larger skipped beats). It's hard to know what's causing what now. I assume a lot of people are in the same case.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by adflux »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #199
NullInvictus wrote: post #192

Every COVID story here is an interesting little glimpse into how a seemingly normal forum has their latent political views exploited into adopting a conspiracy theory, re: anti-vaccine rhetoric. It becomes a little more extreme every day. This study has nothing to do with the vaccine, and yet this is what HN clamors for. I wonder how many people here understand what kind of ride they're being taken for.

This, and I don't understand why there isn't more scrutiny from the moderators. Especially the one-day old accounts are the most annoying part. If you have hottakes at least have the curtousy to do it with your primary account so we know who to ignore afterwards.

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by inciampati »

raverbashing wrote: post #162
Gareth321 wrote: post #123

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As per the linked study ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... ) the risk is still higher for the Pfizer vaccine than with covid.

Only % risk is misleading. From the conclusion of the PDF linked: > In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in youn…

This concurs with what OP is saying, but the statement is in effect misleading. The vaccine induced myocarditis risk is higher in young males. The numbers also indicate this is even higher than the risk from COVID-19 infection in that group. However, in the population in aggregate the vaccine is less likely to cause this side effect than infection.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by ummonk »

Notable point from the actual paper, that adds clarity to the "even with a mild case" title: "These risks and burdens were evident even among individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection and increased in a graded fashion according to the care setting during the acute phase (non-hospitalized, hospitalized and admitted to intensive care)." You can see the effects of covid severity in this figure: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3/figures/5

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

lpolovets wrote: post #88

If I'm reading Figure 5 right in the original paper*, it looks like the biggest cardiac impact is on people who were hospitalized or went to the ICU for covid, and the effect on people who were not hospitalized is present but relatively small. Am I interpreting the data correctly? * https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3 h/t to @greenyoda for posting elsewhere in this thread.

Relatively small compared to the impact for severe cases, but it looks very relevant if you consider the amount of people that are getting COVID and that many governments and societies are basically throwing the towel and accepting that people should just catch it.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dijit »

shermand89 wrote: post #152
dustinmoris wrote: post #136

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I've not seen anyone drop dead around me and everyone who I know had been vaccinated including myself and my entire family. Have you got any news links which you could add to your comment which support the claim that healthy football players and young children have been dropping dead after taking the vaccine?

I've seen a ton of videos on social media. I didn't save the links to the videos, or the news articles about the incidents, but surely you can find them easily? I know vaccinated people as well, and non-vaccinated people, both who have had covid, and all are doing fine.

if you're not trolling: you might want to seek some help.

These are not convincing arguments, though I don't doubt you believe them sincerely.

One of the most troubling things about our society right now is that there's a lot of easily refutable lies spread via social media; but people are unable or unwilling to question them.

The energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude more than to spread it.

If we can't trust empirical data and instead rely on gut feelings and rumour, we're all fucked.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by girvo »

adflux wrote: post #204
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #199

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This, and I don't understand why there isn't more scrutiny from the moderators. Especially the one-day old accounts are the most annoying part. If you have hottakes at least have the curtousy to do it with your primary account so we know who to ignore afterwards.

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If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by [deleted] »

NullInvictus wrote: post #192

Every COVID story here is an interesting little glimpse into how a seemingly normal forum has their latent political views exploited into adopting a conspiracy theory, re: anti-vaccine rhetoric. It becomes a little more extreme every day. This study has nothing to do with the vaccine, and yet this is what HN clamors for. I wonder how many people here understand what kind of ride they're being taken for.

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