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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by verisimi »

bpizzi wrote: post #132
DwarvenAcademy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 31 and got a heart attack caused by a blood clot last year. Had to undergo double bypass surgery. This happened two months after my second shot so every doctor dismissed the fact of it being related to the vaccine. I was fit and healthy, no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, and exercising regularly with no family history. I never had symptoms but maybe at some point I caught covid without knowing despite going out…

That's terrible, I hope you're recovering to the best possible. Do you happen to know what was your blood pressure prior to the heart attack, and/or your apob level? At least you should have it checked now (I assume that's what have been prescribe by your doctors). It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a pot…

"It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a potential coronavirus infection with no symptoms."

He's saying that he has an effect 2 months after the vaccine. Is that not also worthy of consideration, or do you include it as an epigenetic factor?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by NullInvictus »

Every COVID story here is an interesting little glimpse into how a seemingly normal forum has their latent political views exploited into adopting a conspiracy theory, re: anti-vaccine rhetoric. It becomes a little more extreme every day.

This study has nothing to do with the vaccine, and yet this is what HN clamors for. I wonder how many people here understand what kind of ride they're being taken for.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by mikevm »

lucd wrote: post #138
easymodex wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine antigen is only a small part of the virus. Furthermore is was modified and is inert. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behi... Because of international pharmacovigilance we know that ARNm vaccine induce some myocarditis and pericarditis, at a much lower rate than the virus and less severe.

The spike protein in the vaccine is not fully inert: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084611

> The free-floating Spike proteins synthetized by cells targeted by vaccine and destroyed by the immune response circulate in the blood and systematically interact with angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors expressed by a variety of cells including platelets, thereby promoting ACE2 internalization and degradation. These reactions may ultimately lead to platelet aggregation, thrombosis and inflammation mediated by several mechanisms including platelet ACE2 receptors. Whereas Phase III vaccine trials generally excluded participants with previous immunization, vaccination of huge populations in the real life will inevitably include individuals with preexisting immunity. This might lead to excessively enhanced inflammatory and thrombotic reactions in occasional subjects. Further research is urgently needed in this area.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by agumonkey »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Adding to this, I'm not sure I had COVID, but 1) I had cardiac troubles before the pandemic, 2) did many months of bike to gain back some average cardiovascular health 3) I got vaccinated in Jan, and now my heart is doing different things (less fatigue but more and larger skipped beats). It's hard to know what's causing what now. I assume a lot of people are in the same case.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by GameOfFrowns »

vegai_ wrote: post #161
easymodex wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

> so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

That is quite the assertive statement in the light of all these public cases of vaccinated athletes keeling over. Is this flamebait?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Brakenshire »

shermand89 wrote: post #145
gpu_explorer wrote: post #129

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> I'm probably going to get down voted, which only proves my points. It proves precisely none of your points. Data please.

Data please? Have you been living under a rock? There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW! Personal and eyewitness testimonies count for nothing now? You're going to pretend that data is not manipulated? If you knew any history, you would know how co…

> Data please? Have you been living under a rock?

I’d say the same to you, if you didn’t see reports of heart problems before the vaccine were you living under a rock? Either you weren’t reading much or your filter bubble was removing that news, perhaps because the media you were reading was trying to minimise its impact at the time. It was very widely covered where I am. There was even a widely watched documentary in the UK of a well known science/health presenter who had heart problems after a Covid infection in early 2020. You can probably look it, it was called “Surviving the Virus: My Brother & Me“

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by inciampati »

EnKopVand wrote: post #140
mupuff1234 wrote: post #103

I find it weird that there's no mentions of variants, but I assume based on the timeline it's probably Delta and older. Seems impossible to tell if this holds for omicron as well, given that it's replication behavior and general outcome is a bit different and usually more mild.

I’m Danish, like everyone of my fellows I had my 3 shots and a case of Omniwhatever. I’m 39 and in relatively decent shape, I can run 5km in 25 minutes and I do 20-30 minute of semi-cardio every day as I walk an 3km steep incline going home from work. Post covid (two months now) I feel the burn so much faster. Completely anecdotal but it had my doctor worried enough that she send me to an EKG and for blood testing (w…

I had COVID and even exercised with it. I noticed a higher level of muscle soreness, and in fact that and anosmia tipped us off to what was happening. This was one of the early variants where flu like symptoms were rare.

In my N=1, any one of the myriad other common colds that I've had caused similar symptoms. The degree of muscle soreness was strange. Along with another person in my bubble who also got infected, we both measured increases in red blood cell count outside of the normal range several months after. It wasn't clear if this was due to COVID-19 or being athletes. I didn't have a baseline unfortunately.

I had a dramatically different experience with a flu that I got in December 2019. My resting HR was up by 10bpm for a month after. My exercise regime was broken, and it took almost two months to fully recover.

I truly hope that COVID-19 is just a window into these infection disease processes that are going on all the time, damaging our bodies without giving us clear feedback. This massive pulse of naive infection is a unique opportunity to understand this. I fear that we will not be able to generalize these lessons. And I understand why. COVID is very weird...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

NullInvictus wrote: post #192

Every COVID story here is an interesting little glimpse into how a seemingly normal forum has their latent political views exploited into adopting a conspiracy theory, re: anti-vaccine rhetoric. It becomes a little more extreme every day. This study has nothing to do with the vaccine, and yet this is what HN clamors for. I wonder how many people here understand what kind of ride they're being taken for.

This, and I don't understand why there isn't more scrutiny from the moderators. Especially the one-day old accounts are the most annoying part. If you have hottakes at least have the curtousy to do it with your primary account so we know who to ignore afterwards.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by mikevm »

jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?
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