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Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

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Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

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> I sometimes wonder what will happen if the internet gets suddenly shut down worldwide? Will hundreds of millions of internet addicts go down the streets protesting, and possibly overthrowing their governments? That is downright laughable. So much hinges on the internet these days that society would literally grind to a halt even without considering anything non-essential. Databases offline, communications down, sup…

If you can, give Tim Maughan’s Infinite Detail a try. It's SF on what would happen if the Internet disappears, and goes quite deeply into collapsing supply chains.

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#202
I relate completely with the comments here. I have only recently even managed to finish reading a couple of books, but it took me months.

I would really like to blame how busy I am (new startup, 3 kids, other commitments), however I see my wife who is a physician who works in 2 departments and also teaches and runs a residency program and I know she is quantitatively much busier than I am and has far less control over her time.

However, she manages to read a couple of books a month at least.

I think that during the 2000s/2010s when I was sucking in a firehose of information and learning to consume exclusively in places like HN, she was still researching, studying and learning through long form papers, textbooks and experiments. Our brains are trained on very different cadences.

So when she sits down to read, there is almost no distraction, her comprehension is far better than mine, and she sort of shoots through a chapter with much better momentum than me.

I've recently resolved to stop trying to read anything popular/trendy that I might be attracted to just because it's there and instead only read history, which is my real interest. No more business books or novels I don't really enjoy. That has made a difference and it's already becoming much easier as I am more disciplined about it.

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#203

“ In an essay he published in The Guardian (which is by now removed from their website, following a massive Twitter campaign against the novelist mainly because of his opinion on techno-consumerism), titled “What’s Wrong with the Modern World?” ” https://archive.md/85tep Just wanted to use the archive.md site the way it was intended rather than circumventing the jaws of cookies.

Why was it controversial?

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay I do like HN—I'm here for a reason after all—but it is flawed like any other curation. For one, I find that it veers extremely literal and nerdy. For some topics such as programming and math, this is wonderful, as programming and math are both topics where literalism and nerdiness are required. But in some cases this blend is not great. I wouldn't put HN as a great place to get your knowledge of more social, cul…

> predominantly white and Asian and male, indeed predominantly cis-hetereosexual male What I appreciate about HN is that we don‘t make everything about race, gender, and politics, for no reason.

You're both right. (I'm half in the in-group and half-out.)

It's nice that there's no political litmus test to post here. My gay butt would rather have to read some eyeroll inducing things but receive a greater variety of opinions because I favor variety in topics and opinions. This is because I think opinion and topic variety is important to synthesizing new ideas, to discovery, and to serendipity, which is what I like about tech.

On the other hand, it means if you point out that these demographics impact the tech world or its discussion centers, you get poo-poo'ed.

As somebody who would love to discuss things like the benefits, unexpected consequences, and drawbacks of more women in STEM or how, if all developers on a project share traits, they're more likely to miss needed features or key bugs depending on their audience (something I've also seen on all 'marginalized' teams), there's not anywhere to have those discussions that don't turn into shit-flinging contests that would make chimpanzees proud.

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#205
I'd like to share two hacks that have made a big difference for me:

/1/ black-hole certain websites in /etc/hosts, see here for details https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29217297

/2/ making the computer read books to me using the text-to-speech feature. See here for instructions to setup keyboard shortcut for Mac OS users https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mApa60zJA8rgEm6T6GF0yIem... and this is the command line version https://gist.github.com/ivanistheone/de3ccb244224d101bb93320...

Hack /1/ was useful to get rid of the "new tab > enter distracting site url" urges that I get several times per hour. The error loading the page reminds me of my commitment to seek less superficial distractions and practicing better information hygiene. Disclaimer: it's not easy to stick to this (for god's sake I'm no HN right now!!), but I sometimes get good chunks of disconnected time (several weeks in a row).

Hack /2/ has allowed me to read A LOT more books then ever before in my life (like one book per week): I simply open the PDF, select a good chunk of text (like one chapter or something), then listen to the book while doing other things (e.g. exercise, cleanup, or computer tasks with low cognitive requirements).

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

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post #46

Socrates famously hated the written form, not because it was technologically advanced for its time, but because it was "dead": you can't have a conversation with a piece of writing, or ask the author to explain something that's on the page. I disagree (and agree, indirectly, with the OP): deadness is a feature, not a bug. The problem with Internet writing is not just its addictive nature, it's groupthink. It is too m…

Incidentally, this morning I finished reading the Socratic dialogue, 'Phaedrus' [1]. At the end of the dialogue (and also in a couple of other dialogues), Socrates makes his famous rebuttal against writing: You know, Phaedrus, writing shares a strange feature with painting. The offsprings of painting stand there as if they are alive, but if anyone asks them anything, they remain most solemnly silent. The same is true…

After reading a few of the dialogues, love reading these BTW, I highly suspect that Plato often misrepresented Socrates- would often put words in his mouth. With that said..

I think it’s very OK for Socrates to be wrong or to disagree with him. He’s the kind of guy who would change his opinions in light of conflicting evidence or an iron clad logical argument. Just because he said that about writing doesn’t mean he’s right nor does it mean he’s done with the tangent.

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

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post #87

> In an essay he published in The Guardian (which is by now removed from their website, following a massive Twitter campaign against the novelist mainly because of his opinion on techno-consumerism), titled “What’s Wrong with the Modern World?”, American novelist Jonathan Franzen wrote: For the curious, the removed article is here: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/13/jonathan-franz... and archived here: htt…

Is there any source as to why it was removed? The OP says it was because of a 'massive Twitter campaign' but I can't find no source on that.

I can only find some lukewarm Reddit discussion, it seems to just be a bad essay? https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1mcuva/jonathan_fran...

or see this review https://observer.com/2013/10/bigmouth-strikes-again-what-in-...

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#208
With regards to blocking sites to concentrate, adding a comment as to why it was blocked in the first place might help. It is something I try now to see how effective it is.

My etc/hosts:

# This should never be commented out unless my life depends on it. If # We get an article or there is CRITICAL information there it is OK, but # in 99% of cases you will just waste your time on these websites. GO OUTSIDE INSTEAD! 0.0.0.0 dn.no dinside.no nettavisen.no itavisen.no e24.no vg.no www.dn.no nrk.no dagbladet.no https://dn.no https://www.nettavisen.no/ www.nettavisen.no shifter.no www.shifter.no nettavisen.no nrk.no www.nrk.no

# FB might be relevant for work, but ONLY uncomment if you have something CONCRETE to do on the platform. # Delegate to someone else if possible, which can be done in most cases. # TRAIN or GO OUTSIDE instead of wasting time here 127.0.0.1 facebook.com login.facebook.com secure.facebook.com latest.facebook.com inyour.facebook.com beta.facebook.com static.facebook.com touch.facebook.com developers.facebook.com newsroom.fb.com pixel.facebook.com apps.facebook.com graph.facebook.com m.facebook.com upload.facebook.com www.facebook.com https://facebook.com # LinkedIn should only be used for marketing, DO NOT COMMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE A CONCRETE THING TO DO. # TRAIN or GO OUTSIDE instead of wasting time here. 127.0.0.1 linkedin.com www.linkedin.com https://linkedin.com

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#209
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You go to the next book to read in the same way you click on the next link on the web.

Yes but with substantially more friction. I have to stand up, walk over to my bookshelf, go through my books, grab one, sit back down, and start reading vs click

Not if you bring the whole pile around with you or you have a Kindle!

Not that I've ever done such things. Carrying around 4 books would have been absurd. Not me.

Re: Internet addiction and the habit of book reading

#210
Decent comments and recommendations. I've started to purchase more physical books. But I have the same problem as when I purchase kindle books - they sit there. When I get the chance to read a book and get in, I find that I forget the content. In general I don't have a great memory, anyways. Even when I code, I generally can't tell you where a file is. I think through all the logical steps, from front to back to reach where I need to go.

Nowadays with a young daughter that I need to drive to extracurricular activities (2x a week) it gives me 1 hour to sit in the car by myself...half of which I am able to get some reading done (the other half, on social media of course :( ).

The funny thing is the last book I read, I was able to complete it because I thought it was longer than it actually is (it had a huge appendix). I have a tendency to finish things to 90%...

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