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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

I swapped motherboards recently. Despite /specifically/ getting a Microsoft account, thinking that it would link my account to my licenses and allow for seamless transfer, it seems I need to call into microsoft for them to re-activate my install. So first off, fuck you Microsoft. To the question: I have a watermark in the corner of my screen saying I need to activate, and I am unable to change my desktop background a…

I haven't used Windows in over a decade now, and this behaviour boggles my mind... Imagine losing access to parts of your OS because you switched hardware around.

It's odd because a decade ago I would've probably been fine with it, too.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Maybe, at least that era of Core 2 Duo thinkpads supported 8G of RAM... I was in a similar boat until last year when I switched from a modded x61s to an x220 i7 then x230 i7 w/16GB which I'm still using and cost under $300 on ebay. The HD4000 iGPU is at least Vulkan capable. It's really unfortunate the imx8 SoC didn't have even an 8GB variant. The fact that you can get a raspberry pi with more memory than the Reform…

So, I checked and I'm currently only using 4gb in my laptop. I think this laptop and I are going to get along just fine! Also, I will be able to upgrade that part as it comes available. Plenty of room!

When I last used 4gb on my x61s I couldn't even login to Slack using FF without swapping or thrashing-til-OOM when running without swap...

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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The Framework Laptop is literally the first time ever I've seen a laptop and wished I was at the point in my upgrade-cycle to get a new laptop. Right now I have 2-3 more years of use out of my current laptop before I upgrade though.

I'm kind of in the exact opposite boat. I've waited for a while to buy one because this laptop is coming, but I still can't buy it in Europe!

They shared an update on the Europe situation via newsletter:

> "With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you're outside of the U.S and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, which is one very key part of the equation, but it takes quite a lot more than that to enable a complete experience in each country. Picking Germany as one example, we need German language keyboards, a Type F power cable, in-box paperwork and labeling in German, localization for the Framework website, support documentation, and checkout flow, support for local payment methods, calculation of Euro prices and taxes, accounting support for German income, creation of legally sound Terms of Sale, Privacy, and Warranty policies for Germany, CE certifications, a local Authorized Representative to back up the certifications, determination of HS codes and tariffs, an Importer of Record to be able to deliver duty paid, German-language in-time-zone customer support, reverse logistics and RMA support for returns and repairs, region-specific sourcing of off the shelf memory and storage, trial builds of German laptops prior to production, and back-end ERP infrastructure to tie all of this together. That sounds like a lot, but it's actually a drastically simplified summary. Supply and logistics crunches slowed down parts of it, but we are moving forward on all fronts. We'll open pre-ordering in the next few countries before the end of the year for shipment in early 2022. We'll share the exact month of shipment at the time we open pre-orders."

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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We’re actively building the infrastructure to launch in additional countries. It’s a challenging logistical environment at the moment, but we very much built and certified the product to be broadly available, and we are reminded of the interest in that daily!

I'm already happy that you're participating in this thread, so don't let my question pin you down too much, but are you able to give some indication of when you might be able to share news like a provisional timeline?

They shared an update on the Europe situation via newsletter:

> "With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you're outside of the U.S and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, which is one very key part of the equation, but it takes quite a lot more than that to enable a complete experience in each country. Picking Germany as one example, we need German language keyboards, a Type F power cable, in-box paperwork and labeling in German, localization for the Framework website, support documentation, and checkout flow, support for local payment methods, calculation of Euro prices and taxes, accounting support for German income, creation of legally sound Terms of Sale, Privacy, and Warranty policies for Germany, CE certifications, a local Authorized Representative to back up the certifications, determination of HS codes and tariffs, an Importer of Record to be able to deliver duty paid, German-language in-time-zone customer support, reverse logistics and RMA support for returns and repairs, region-specific sourcing of off the shelf memory and storage, trial builds of German laptops prior to production, and back-end ERP infrastructure to tie all of this together. That sounds like a lot, but it's actually a drastically simplified summary. Supply and logistics crunches slowed down parts of it, but we are moving forward on all fronts. We'll open pre-ordering in the next few countries before the end of the year for shipment in early 2022. We'll share the exact month of shipment at the time we open pre-orders."

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

They send you a license key that you can use with a legit Windows installer, that you get on Microsoft’s website. You can even link all that to your Microsoft’s account.

If that’s pirated software, Microsoft doesn’t try to detect it very much.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Note that if you’re building a framework with the intent of using Linux avoid the “vpro” variant of the Intel wireless adapter: https://community.frame.work/t/using-the-ax210-with-linux-on... Last I checked with every recommended config tweak you still lose ~3% battery per hour of suspend, which really adds up and is extremely annoying. We’ve been asking framework to include a notice referencing this issue when confi…

Is this definitely even the problem?

I got the non-vPro version and my battery drains just as fast.

Random things like my trackpad settings also don't persist when waking from sleep.

Honestly I hate this machine so far and deeply regret spending more than $1,600 on it. Linux support is surprisingly poor.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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I'm a couple days late to comment here, but I want to add the negative review I wish I'd read.

Linux support on the Framework is really poor, and that was especially disappointing to me since that was one of the top reasons I bought it.

Right on their install guidelines, it says to use 20.04 instead of 20.10 for Ubuntu or else WiFi may not work out of the box. Fine. Did that. But then there's a whole host of other problems.

It will drain 30%+ of your battery overnight while "sleeping." You can get it down to about 20% by using "deep" sleep, but then your trackpad settings won't persist (scrolling will switch directions, speed will change) and your WiFi chip will be slow upon waking.

It's also SLOW. I have 64 GB of RAM in this thing and even out of the box it takes double-digit seconds to open anything.

I also don't buy the "premium" feel people are talking about. My hinges are loose enough that the screen wobbles. Pushing down on the casing around the keyboard makes annoying clicking noises. I've opened it up and can see no reason for this other than an improper fit of the frame.

I bought the hype, and I spent a lot more money than I've ever spent on a computer before for something that will sit on my desk and collect dust.

I'm incredibly disappointed and feel like I was sold a bill of goods here. Don't make the same mistake.

If you want real Linux support, buy something that has stood the test of time.

Or, heck, buy a 2015 Chromebook Pixel and run Lubuntu on it with chrx. I'm still using that box over this one. It's a better experience and a much more premium device than this, even though I won't be able to repair it. But even after 6 years of frequent usage, its battery outlasts the Framework 6:1.

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