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Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by refurb »

Udik wrote: post #199
refurb wrote: post #160

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Arabs can be full Israeli citizens, many are being one of the main political parties is an Arab party. Or do you mean citizens in Palestine? Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel?

> Why would Israel make the Palestinians in Gaza full citizens when That’s separate territory from Israel? 1) most of Palestine and Palestinians are not in Gaza, bug in the West Bank 2) if Palestine is separate territory from Israel, why Israel builds its roads and cities on it?

You never answer my question - why would Israel give full citizenship to people in Gaza and let’s add on top parts (Area C) of the West Bank entirely controlled by the Palestinian Authority?

And the funny part is, the reason Israel control parts of the West Bank is because they were attacked in 3 wars (1948, 1967, 1972) and won.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by xupybd »

smsm42 wrote: post #154
xupybd wrote: post #52

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It is hard to say Israel has less right to the land it took over than say New Zealand. The main difference is how long ago the settling happened.

There's a little difference though... There wasn't an English state in New Zealand since about 10th century BCE.

If we say you can claim land your people held in the 10th century the globe is in trouble.

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Post by dang »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #195
wolverine876 wrote: post #140

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As I posted eleswhere, note that American Christian Evangelicals support Israel's right-wing policies much more strongly than American Jews, who are mostly liberal and Democrats. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=evangelical+support+for+israel+sit...

Yes, because they believe that they need to be on the side of Israel to satisfy the conditions of their apocalyptic fables.

Religious flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this, regardless of whose religion you have a problem with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by dang »

Udik wrote: post #198
rayiner wrote: post #183

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You've been using HN primarily for political and ideological flamewar. I refer not only to the barrage of comments you've been posting on this topic, but your comments on other topics also. Using HN primarily this way will get you banned here—it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. This is long-established moderation practice: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

Since we've warned you many times before (going back years actually) and you've continued to break this rule, I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

No, this isn't because of any of the topics you've been posting about, and certainly not the current one. We actually don't care which political (or ideological, or whatever) side you're on. It's because your account has repeatedly and consistently been breaking HN's rules despite our many requests to you to stop. Not cool.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by justanotherguy0 »

slim wrote: post #123
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #111

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There are only so many hours in a day. This should be true at the community level, but an individual passionately caring about all of those injustices at once will end up spamming social media with advocacy because there is not enough time to pick any one to do something with greater impact.

He does not have to care about every injustice every time. But he should not be proud about not caring.

Why not? Who cares?

Like he said, this is far from the worst conflict going on right now and it receives a disproportionate amount of interest.

I don't care about the conflict in china or in Yemen or in syria. Because I'm a coherent person, I also don't care about what's happening in israel.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by logicchains »

let_me_ask_this wrote: post #118
Google234 wrote: post #109

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If they did that then they would completely cease being a progressive country and would become an Islamist country.

I just want to point out that this nonsense is Islamophobia and should not be tolerated. Muslims are no less people than anyone else. They are not the cartoonish evil character that you believe them to be.

>I just want to point out that this nonsense is Islamophobia and should not be tolerated. Muslims are no less people than anyone else. They are not the cartoonish evil character that you believe them to be.

He said progressive. Progressive doesn't mean "not evil", it means progressive. Can you name a single Muslim-majority country that allows gay marriage?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by p_j_w »

rayiner wrote: post #75
azifali wrote: post #21

As a progressive Muslim - I believe both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist, and thrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the state of Israel has now become a needless oppressor and are content building an apartheid state without learning from the past.

As a conservative former Muslim: As long as Palestinians chant “from the river to the sea” and tolerate Hamas any talk about a two state solution is a joke. By not rejecting Hamas, Palestinians make themselves a military problem rather than a civil rights issue. You don’t give civil rights to people who are military threat. This isn’t a point about morality, but the simple reality of nations protecting themselves. If…

>By not rejecting Hamas, Palestinians make themselves a military problem rather than a civil rights issue.

Why does this statement not work against Israel for supporting governments that build settlements? Surely the war crime of building settlements is worse than a chant?

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by refurb »

rayiner wrote: post #65
DoctorNick wrote: post #28

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Americans are more prone to this kind of thing because they're already used to overriding settler-colonial propaganda influencing their mindset; Zionist propaganda is just another flavor.

That’s a hilarious assertion. One of the things we found puzzling when we moved here was why Americans spent so much time in school studying all the bad things the country did. Totally bizarre to us, coming from Asia.

I don’t have any issues with teaching about American history and things that were done that were wrong (in hindsight or at the time).

But what you might be referring to is this bizarre self-flagellation that has grown in popularity which focuses exclusively on the errors and ignores any of the good things about America.

My personal opinion is it’s because the people doing it want to remake America - throw away the old and create a “more just” society (obviously following their politics).

If you can use this self-criticism to destroy the foundation of America (through association) you can get rid of those pesky ideals preventing you from transforming society. Things like individual freedom, personal responsibility, inalienable rights, judging the individuals by their own actions and not the sins of their ancestors, etc.

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by jeofken »

g8oz wrote: post #133
rayiner wrote: post #43

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As an American who moved here from a Muslim country let me assure you Muslims are socialized to feel the same way about Jews. Took me a long time to see it. In high school I obviously supported Palestine and thought Israel was a settler colony (all of it, not just Gaza). Then I realized: wait why do I even care? I’m from 3,000 miles away in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, people don’t even care about Bangladeshis being he…

The opinions of Americans in particular on this issue are very relevant. The U.S provides Israel with a diplomatic, military and financial blank check. Many of the most aggressive elements of the settler movement that makes life so difficult for Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are funded by American non-profit groups like the Central Fund of Israel. In addition some 60,000 ideologically driven Americ…

After watching presidential candidates speak for groups like AIPAC it seems donors “incentivise” the candidates to support their greatest ally with billions, and without this support, winning the election is unfeasible. A small investment giving a big return, out of the pockets of Americans.

Trump speaking to AIPAC https://youtu.be/fQgDgMGuDI0

Couldn’t find a video of the current president, but here is from when he was Vice President, before the dementia https://youtu.be/uA-ZnIX9wak

Re: The blackout Palestinians are facing on social media

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Post by poisonarena »

aaronchall wrote: post #189

I know many users have flagged this because moderator, dang, has turned off the flags for this post. I'm sure it would be off the front page by now if he had not. I also know that after some period of relative peace, the Palestinian people allowed over (conservatively) 3,000 rockets to be fired on Israel by their militias, injuring over (conservatively) 100 and killing 10 (as reported by the Associated Press). To me…

More than 4000 rockets, about a third of which failed and crashed in Gaza, killing and injuring their own populace. And yes, this is post wartime propaganda.
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