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Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

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Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#201

A fancy funded company like Replit getting scared by an intern's weekend project is entertaining. If your moat is so low it can be replicated in a few days, I think this open source project is the least of their worries.

The CEO is actually worried that this weekend project will make it hard for replit to raise fundings from investors because it makes it look like there is no moat to hosting hundreds of programming languages. The investors don't know that the code here doesn't scale.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#202

One thing I don't understand is: how is that a CEO cannot anticipate the consequences of acting like a bully via email? The blog post will make a huge negative impact on the reputation of Replit... really, CEOs these days don't think before writing?

I think one can, but maybe experience has (wrongfully) taught some of those folks that it can actually be a positive experience.

If it weren't for the INCREDIBLY detailed, well-reasoned, documented blog post, and its ability to reach the front page, the tactics of the CEO would have actually succeeded. He did, indeed, take the project down, and took the threat seriously. What the CEO didn't anticipate was the intern's ability to get so much exposure on this.

I can see this tactic working 95% of the time, which is prob. why when it doesn't it REALLY doesn't.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#203

A fancy funded company like Replit getting scared by an intern's weekend project is entertaining. If your moat is so low it can be replicated in a few days, I think this open source project is the least of their worries.

Agreed... but the intern is obviously incredibly naive in thinking that repl.it would be happy to see one of their ex-interns working on a project that does pretty much the same kind of thing they're doing... whether or not this is a threat to them right now. There's a tiny, but non-zero chance, that this project could become successful and who knows, take marketshare from repl.it... and while everyone is pretending they would never be afraid of an intern stealing their business, I doubt many of them saying that have been through this experience and know how it feels like running a business and trying to stay on top of all the scams and bullshit that will get in your way, including from previous "allies" like ex-employees who think can do better.

Just look at this from the other side: you employ lots of people to work on some product, you teach them "secrets of the trade", send them to conferences, let them participate in making decisions, giving them extraordinary insight in the area of work you are active on... and as soon as they leave your company, they use all that knowledge to try to create something with that on their own (I can understand it, once you konw stuff and enjoy it, you want to keep working on it even in your own time), just for fun... basically spreading some of that knowledge you gave them and making it packaged and accessible not only to future contributors of their project, but to all competitors and genuine copycats out there.

This is incredibly unprofessional. If he had at least come up with something original based on that knowledge , I would be totally on his side, but his stuff, while it may not be an exact copy of repl.it, is clearly doing the exact same thing... how is that not at least "stealing the idea"?? Just don't do that.

Show some respect to your ex-boss and collegues who are working hard for several years to get an idea out to the world and make it work for others as good as they can... if you want to use your knowledge, just contribute back to the project if it's open-source (your contribution will be a lot more useful, very likely, to other people than your poor, basic little project)! If you actually want to compete, which the author claims was not at all his goal (yeah, right, until someone shows even a trace of interest in paying something for it), then by all means go ahead and act reckless, but you'll need to come up with some pretty major advantage to have any chance, and will be taking pretty huge risks with lawsuits, but that's business as usual in the corporate world.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#204
post #37

Maybe I was just naïve but when I first started reading HN there was a lot of optimism around startups, maybe it's just the scales falling from our eyes, but it just seems to be one shitty deed after another - maybe the ecosystem was always poisonous ?

There are thousands of startups. Are you generalising some bad actors to characterise an entire segment?

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#205
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second-hand source here, but I’m pretty sure Riju postdates the author’s internship. IANAL but if he signed a non-compete maybe this could be a legal issue.

Replit is based in SF, and non-competes aren't enforceable in California.

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Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#206

> Naturally, I took down my project right away... So a CEO bullied you. He threatened to have lawyers look at something, accused you of behaving poorly, and accused you of being difficult. He is being manipulative. He is trying to guilt / scare you into stopping. And it worked. For all readers... do not be afraid of lawyers. Especially if nobody has even talked to them yet. Lawyers do not like to lose cases, so will…

> Lawyers do not like to lose cases, so will not push a losing agenda They will if they get paid.

Even if they get paid in advance, lawyers are acutely aware of the costs of litigation (even when you ultimately win) and that losing cases is one of the most common triggers for lawyers being sued, so, they really don't like losing cases even if they are getting paid. (There are caveats and exceptions, sure, but as a broad rule...)

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#207
post #37

Maybe I was just naïve but when I first started reading HN there was a lot of optimism around startups, maybe it's just the scales falling from our eyes, but it just seems to be one shitty deed after another - maybe the ecosystem was always poisonous ?

I feel like there's been a dramatic shift in sentiment since I started reading HN in 2010/2011 or so.

Having lived and worked through the last startup boom, it's easy to see why. Startups as a force in our economy and our culture were (once again) new and interesting and untested and exciting. You could make an app and be an "instant" millionaire! Money was flowing freely - the Bay Area office-warming parties from newly-minted Series A startups were a sight to behold.

Of course we (I) saw it all with rose-colored glasses; reality is always more complicated. Years have passed, and the plucky upstarts have become capitalist overlords. Many vested interests have worked hard over time to establish an alternate narrative where tech is ominous, unaccountable, and used for political ill. People are people and do shitty things, even at startups.

It's all just people and always has been, but for a time it really did feel special. Maybe I'm just old.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#208
post #137

Amjad is incredibly unprofessional. Years ago I worked in ed-tech and one of our sales reps replied to a tweet, from a Replit user complaining about some feature on Replit. Amjad damn near bit his head off and said some really nasty things to him. My coworker was this meek religious dude honestly trying to just send a teacher a helpful link. I personally would never work there and have steered several great engineers…

> religious dude What has religious got to do with anything? Most terrorism in todays world is by religious dudes.

I'm sure you can understand the context and I'm sure that the point you are insistent on inserting is not novel information to any readers of this thread.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#209

OP seems to be pretty talented here. They were able to build a clone in no time. If Replit CEO had any brains he should have thought about hiring OP as an exceptional engineer and work with them.

Apparently he tried (and failed), which is perhaps further evidence of OPs talent.

Re: Replit used legal threats to kill my open-source project

#210

I don't think there is any fundamentally original idea in replit. It is a time-sharing system where you can log in and use a programming language. We have had those since not long after the dawn of computing. Since at least 1970, we also had smart terminals that allowed the user to fill in a form, and validate it, before sending it to the host. So the time-sharing session being carried out by a protocol between the w…

Why does it have to be original to be a product people will pay for? There are plenty of unoriginal yet profitable products.

What you've said is all true, but most users today don't use computers like that. Arguably developers already do if they have SSH access somewhere, but if repl.it brings that experience to a general audience via a web browser then it's already valuable.

If the Chrome cloud VM idea[1] can raise millions in funding, so can a web timesharing system. ;)

[1]: https://mightyapp.com/

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