It seems even people who care about this issue enough to post don't care enough to protect their likenesses.
XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
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#202I take great offense to my culture being defined as "relentless treatment of women as objects teaches them that they are defined by the one thing that men around them want from them" Yes some people do that, but VERY few. It's as silly as thinking that all gay men speak with lisps, yes some do and those that do are very identifiable as likely gay. Yes there is always that guy in the bar that is inappropriate with wom…
"but VERY few" I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. You know, if it's only 1% of men that act in a sexually predatory manner (workplace sexual harrassement, groping on public transport, all the way through to rape), how am I as a woman supposed to react? Online it's even worse, I can expect sexually explicit comments to be made to me with a probability approaching 1.0 if I reveal my gender (HN is a pleasant exce…
-Why are we making such a big deal about exception cases? (1%, as you say)
-You know, right up front, G+ is asking you to do something you feel uncomfortable with. They aren't being sneaky about it, making it opt-out, or changing policies after the fact.
-You have to evaluate, for yourself, if the usefulness of G+ outweighs the level of uncomfort
-G+ will probably fail if they can't get a large and diverse userbase, this will probably cause G+ to evaluate why and possibly change their policies
-Munroe, as someone with a lot of followers, is correct to voice his opinion because it will be heard. Someone like you or I will actually have to do some work to be heard, so we'll have to go right to Google with our complaints. Please tell me you have brought it up with them...
I don't like the idea of people feeling that, every product (especially global products) being made needs to be tailored to their views of the world (ESPECIALLY at an initial beta release). Give Google some time to learn and react to these "bugs". If G+ wants to have a narrow view of this, let them and watch them fail, as other companies learn from those mistakes and put out a better product.
You can deal with jerks at the bar, tell the bouncers to remove them and see if they do, go to the bar down the street, or build a better bar yourself.
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#203>Many women grow up with a sense of physical vulnerability that's hard for men to appreciate. Our culture's relentless treatment of women as objects teaches them that they are defined by the one thing that men around them want from them Daaaaaamn are people ever good at misinterpreting this line. It doesn't matter whether women are at actual risk; it's about the perception of risk. They're your customers , not your s…
There are, however, concerns above and beyond profits that could drive this decision.
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
"but VERY few" I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. You know, if it's only 1% of men that act in a sexually predatory manner (workplace sexual harrassement, groping on public transport, all the way through to rape), how am I as a woman supposed to react? Online it's even worse, I can expect sexually explicit comments to be made to me with a probability approaching 1.0 if I reveal my gender (HN is a pleasant exce…
I have a few thoughts about this: -Why are we making such a big deal about exception cases? (1%, as you say) -You know, right up front, G+ is asking you to do something you feel uncomfortable with. They aren't being sneaky about it, making it opt-out, or changing policies after the fact. -You have to evaluate, for yourself, if the usefulness of G+ outweighs the level of uncomfort -G+ will probably fail if they can't…
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
The male stick figures have short hair, as is typical of men in the society from which XKCD originates. Your criticism is very strained.
I find your defense very strained - essentially you're saying that Munroe draws 'stick figures with hair' and it is just coincidence that male 'stick figures with hair' are indistinguishable from a normal stick figure. This is part of the 'othering' of women - "you look different to what 'normal' looks like". In any case, common male hairstyles in anglo societies still stand out from the head, as much as the non-dang…
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#206I take great offense to my culture being defined as "relentless treatment of women as objects teaches them that they are defined by the one thing that men around them want from them" Yes some people do that, but VERY few. It's as silly as thinking that all gay men speak with lisps, yes some do and those that do are very identifiable as likely gay. Yes there is always that guy in the bar that is inappropriate with wom…
How many TV shows present that reality? Movies? How many advertisements? Popular music? Dare I mention video games?
"Relentless" is a very accurate way to summarize the situation.
If you're interested in thinking about our culture, the correct mirror is the artifacts we produce and consume; not behavior.
An aside: Men may be more likely to be assaulted than women, but you're measuring the wrong thing again. How many men are assaulted solely because of their gender?
Our culture is quite frankly abhorrent to me in how it dehumanizes women. That's an honest opinion; not slander, and it's one formed with ample observations to back it up.
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#207I have mixed feelings about this. I'm a guy so obviously don't have the experience (any) women have but I will say this. Three things will essentially give away your gender: 1. Your stated gender; 2. Your name (with a high degree of accuracy in most cultures that I'm aware of); and 3. Your photos. So for (1) to have any impact, (2) and (3) must be hidden. Since all profiles are public, I'm not sure you can hide (2).…
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#208>> Our culture's relentless treatment of women as objects teaches them that they are defined by the one thing that men around them want from them—men who are usually bigger, stronger, and (like any human) occasionally crazy. This feeling—often confirmed by actual experiences of harassment and assault—can lead, understandably, to a lifetime of low-level wariness and sense of vulnerability that men have trouble appreciating. I want to comment on the attitude Randall is projecting in the above referenced quote. It's a commonplace attitude in the modern world today. That a woman's only protection is a man's forbearance. I feel this attitude is also toxic to our social fabric -- it really is just another form of gender bias. Attitudes like this lead to strange unintended consequences: Single, unmarried men cannot be seated next to unaccompanied minors on a plane. Men are now less likely to come to the aide of a screaming or crying child in public.
Just because some Vikings rape and pillage does not mean that all men do. Just because my grandfather was of German descent and fought in WWII should you assume he was a Nazi (he was a medic for the Allies).
Google+ is supposed to have privacy options "superior to facebook". (And considering they also have access to our search history and email, they had better be). Women online (and this is likely not their first social networking experience) have the same access to those privacy tools as everyone else. Let them block the harassers and those that objectify them.
(But still some really good points made about co-opting "Other").
Re: XKCD's Randall Munroe on Google+ requiring your gender to be public
#209Every single reply to his post includes a picture. Tempest in a teapot. It seems even people who care about this issue enough to post don't care enough to protect their likenesses.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same logic is applied by extremist religious groups to "protect" women from lecherous men. Enter the burka or the nun's habit. If you have a service where you publish your name, link people together into social networks, engage in video chat, post pictures, post status updates and converse with people, gender will become obvious very quickly, regardless of whether the male/female box is ticked. Since you seem to…
So privacy is either impossible or mandatory? The slopes sure are slippery around here. I shouldn't have worn my dress shoes.