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Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Post by akarma »

pjc50 wrote: post #197
akarma wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even during BLM when protests were just declared as "riots" to then crack down on them with the full force of a militarized police arresting thousands of people Many Americans actually died in these events in addition to dangerous fires (with people still inside buildings!) and random acts of violence, so the riot characterization has at least in some cases been fair. It makes sense thousands of people would be arr…

> Many Americans actually died in these events Did they? How many? And of those how many were killed by the police or far-right sympathisers like Kyle Rittenhouse?

25 Americans last I read. Almost all if not all were killed by fellow civilians, not police.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Post by akarma »

freeflight wrote: post #190
akarma wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even during BLM when protests were just declared as "riots" to then crack down on them with the full force of a militarized police arresting thousands of people Many Americans actually died in these events in addition to dangerous fires (with people still inside buildings!) and random acts of violence, so the riot characterization has at least in some cases been fair. It makes sense thousands of people would be arr…

> That is where France differs — a protest can, from the beginning, be declared unable to occur, and police respond to it accordingly. I think you are misunderstanding what all of this actually means: The US government doesn't just have to tolerate protests anywhere anytime. It is in its right to deem certain times, places and forms of expression as not valid, the only thing it can't regulate is the content of the ex…

I understand what you're referring to, but was aiming to explain the difference between the US and France in a more approachable way. The US could block a protest from occurring, but the legal basis would be much tougher than that in France (it's more protected in the US).

In the US, a court won't simply forbid a protest ahead of time because the issue was protested several years ago in the same neighborhood and it led to a riot.

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Post by webmobdev »

pc86 wrote: post #199
webmobdev wrote: post #179

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Right to bear arms, our 2nd amendment, is another example. From what I've read about this arcane piece of legislation, some historians have suggested it stemmed from the fear of slave owners who believed that freed black man may choose to exact revenge on them and they feared that others in their country, who favoured abolition of slavery and criticised them for owning slaves, may not stand with them to offer protect…

This has no basis in reality.

I am not an American, so I may indeed be mistaken. But the reasoning sounded logical to me - The whole civil war in the US happened because the confederates differed with other Americans on the question of white supremacy and the abolishment of slavery in the USA. For these secessionists, the enslaved blacks and the Americans who supported freeing them were the enemies.

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Post by doetoe »

dTal wrote: post #80
Kenji wrote: post #76

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The fingers are out of focus. No amount of image resolution will correct for out of focus optics at the time the photo was taken. The fingerprints are nowhere to be found in this picture. So clearly something is bogus about the claims in the article.

"Bogus" seems strongly worded when the article makes no hard claims, but it does call into question the implication we're all here for, which is that fingerprints were extracted from the photo. Although, come to think of it, it is in fact perfectly possible in theory to recover information from out-of-focus images. In practice it tends not to work well due to noise, but it's theoretically a reversible transform if yo…

A convolution is not generally reversible. Or are you thinking of something else?

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Post by nojokes »

bobthepanda wrote: post #139
nojokes wrote: post #132

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Can you elaborate this a little?

A key point of Brexit is to "restore sovereignty." At least some of that ire is directed at the ECHR, which can issue rulings that override British rulings and parliament. One of the examples of this occurring is when the ECHR overturned a British ban on voting for prisoners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirst_v_United_Kingdom_(No_2) Like many things independence from the ECHR has not actually happened yet. https://…

Interesting. But UK was not the only country in Europe that does not allow inmates to vote. The list includes Bulgaria, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Liechtenstein and Russia.

Three of them belong to EU and do not plan to leave or change their stance on this issue.

Allowing inmates to vote is a strange proposal for me. Could we then argue that a leader of a criminal organization should be able to keep leading it from the prison? Eliminating the imprisoned from the society is one of the core principles of the imprisonment and it feels therefore counter productive to let inmates to vote, especially on local government election where a single vote counts the most.

Now if imprisonment would be altered for example to an involuntary reeducation and readaptation program, then keeping the right to vote would make much more sense.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Post by bobthepanda »

nojokes wrote: post #205
bobthepanda wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A key point of Brexit is to "restore sovereignty." At least some of that ire is directed at the ECHR, which can issue rulings that override British rulings and parliament. One of the examples of this occurring is when the ECHR overturned a British ban on voting for prisoners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirst_v_United_Kingdom_(No_2) Like many things independence from the ECHR has not actually happened yet. https://…

Interesting. But UK was not the only country in Europe that does not allow inmates to vote. The list includes Bulgaria, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Liechtenstein and Russia. Three of them belong to EU and do not plan to leave or change their stance on this issue. Allowing inmates to vote is a strange proposal for me. Could we then argue that a leader of a criminal organization should be able to keep leading it from th…

The EHCR is not saying that all prisoners should always be able to vote, but that a blanket ban on prisoner voting without considering the circumstances or whether or not it is proportionate violates human rights.

Wikipedia has this to say on the topic, at least in the US:

> Opponents have argued that such disfranchisement restricts and conflicts with principles of universal suffrage.[5] It can affect civic and communal participation in general.[1] Opponents argue that felony disenfranchisement can create political incentives to skew criminal law in favor of disproportionately targeting groups who are political opponents of those who hold power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_t...

One can plainly see that in the US this has a highly racial component. It's not hard to see how this could be turned against any group of "others" targeted by the government.

Humans Rights Watch, 1998: https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/reports98/vote/usvot98o-0...

> State disenfranchisement laws have a dramatically disproportionate racial impact. Thirteen percent of all adult black men—1.4 million—are disenfranchised, representing one-third of the total disenfranchised population and reflecting a rate of disenfranchisement that is seven times the national average. Election voting statistics offer an approximation of the political importance of black disenfranchisement: 1.4 million black men are disenfranchised compared to 4.6 million black men who voted in 1996.23

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Post by woko »

jjeaff wrote: post #152
periheli0n wrote: post #126

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It wouldn’t even be blind deconvolution since they can use the cheese label as ground truth.

I wouldn't think so, since the level of blur is less or non-existent on the label. In infinitely long focal length, everything is the same level of focus.

The label is very blurry.

Plus, the point is that the picture is not a blurred picture of a finger. There is a lot of information in this photo which could be used to help to guide the de-blurring process.

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Post by andrey_utkin »

meowface wrote: post #166
p_j_w wrote: post #155

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>I disagree with the (current) top post in this thread saying it's "likely parallel construction". It could be, but the claimed story also sounds pretty plausible Others have pointed out that this happened in the UK, so it's probably not parallel construction anyways. Still, I wanted to get this out there: isn't the claimed story being plausible a pretty important part of parallel construction? If you needed parallel…

>Others have pointed out that this happened in the UK, so it's probably not parallel construction anyways. Yeah, I should've said "parallel construction / source protection / cover story". Parallel construction implies hiding an illicit and/or unethical technique (like warrantless NSA collection methods), but it could also be done to protect a valid information source, like a confidential informant. >Still, I wanted…

I support this line of thinking.

It's delusional to completely outsource the assessment of plausibility, it's a fast track to dictatorship. It's on each of us to assess how much faith to hold in such claims. Otherwise we fall into the trap of believing the powers whatever they do.

  - Look, that show trial in the USSR (or Nazi Germany, etc) has concluded with the confessions of guilt from all the accused.
  - But there was no solid evidence presented, there is quite some ground to believe they were forced to confess under tortures.
  - *If they needed* tortures for the confessions in the court, *then if their story isn't plausible, it seems likely that it'll get thrown out anyways.*
  - ???
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