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Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by jkaplowitz »

baybal2 wrote: post #196
blibble wrote: post #15

I submitted this link under the title "freenode IRC network purchased by VPN company PIA" back in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14101538 it hit the top of the front page, and people complained about my use of the word "purchased" (including freenode staff now that seem to be extremely upset...): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14102030 needless to say the title was edited...

PIA can't feed its own pilots, yet still goes doing outlandish foreign acquisitions. They will sell their last airliner, but will still cling on to stuff like Roosevelt hotel, and such.

Pilots? Airliners? The PIA in question is Private Internet Access, a VPN company. Unless a VPN company also flies planes?

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by jaywalk »

baybal2 wrote: post #196
blibble wrote: post #15

I submitted this link under the title "freenode IRC network purchased by VPN company PIA" back in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14101538 it hit the top of the front page, and people complained about my use of the word "purchased" (including freenode staff now that seem to be extremely upset...): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14102030 needless to say the title was edited...

PIA can't feed its own pilots, yet still goes doing outlandish foreign acquisitions. They will sell their last airliner, but will still cling on to stuff like Roosevelt hotel, and such.

In this instance, PIA is referring to the Private Internet Access VPN service, not Pakistan International Airlines.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by jesboat »

Stranger43 wrote: post #103
marcinzm wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>By comparison, many other European countries (Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium, …) have specific types of legal entities for associations that have appropriate restrictions on what can be done with them. For example, they can generally not be sold, are required to be internally democratic with fixed statutes, usually (but not always) have open membership and an elected board. I think that would go a long way to fixi…

The main difference is the cost associated with it. In order to be an non-profit organization you need an founding meeting, board elections and all of it have to be notarized and drawn up by an attorney before being validated by the state an process that takes weeks if not months where as anyone can set up an company online in about 15 minutes. For some European nations the processes are far more similar and as code…

It varies from state to state, but in the states I'm aware of (at least 3) it's not nearly as hard as you're making it sound. An attorney is not required and, while the non-profit status may take some time to approve, the existence of the corporation itself generally is essentially the same as founding a for-profit corporation. In particular, attorneys are not required, and it is generally pretty easy to get things notarized for free (most banks have notaries on staff and I've never had one charge me.)

I know multiple people who have set up non-profits on their own, without any lawyers, and have not had any difficulties throughout the process.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

chriswarbo wrote: post #178
fmajid wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it’s in the UK, where judges are prompt to issue “superinjunctions” where even discussing the injunction is contempt of court and can incur a prison sentence. Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader.

> Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader. That's begging the question, since it assumes an objective answer. Rather, "it is up to the reader whether they consider a monarchy without a written consistution, or separation of Church and State, to be a democracy". Even that is rather silly, since it's drawing…

>Some are pretty clean, e.g. direct democracy is more democratic than representative democracy //

Unless the people want representational democracy but are forced into direct democracy.

Or, in theory (and I can't stress that enough that this is theoretical), representational democracy could better represent people than they can represent for themselves .. I can fix my own windows, but the glazier will probably do a better job. In the same way a group of professional politicians, in theory, could more closely represent the combined will of the demos than could direct democracy -- like how an adult stops a child from eating cake before they're sick -- knowing what is best for oneself, and what's best for society according to ones own choice of self-societal balance, is a hard thing that needs professional input.

I might add I think UK (and probably USA) democracy is seriously broken and that representational democracy isn't working well; but direct democracy is too easy to pervert with propaganda.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by linuxftw »

fmajid wrote: post #121
bsedlm wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are they saying Andrew Lee got an NSL for freenode? no of course they are not saying that, they would be punished if they did (because it would be illegal). now, that such a thing exists in a "democracy"... is a topic on its own broader scope.

Apparently it’s in the UK, where judges are prompt to issue “superinjunctions” where even discussing the injunction is contempt of court and can incur a prison sentence. Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader.

When a God-appointed King tells his subjects they live in a democracy, the subjects agree.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by Chris2048 »

wut42 wrote: post #180
88 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understood of the previous (draft) resignation notes, there was a misunderstanding/disagreement over what (if any) Freenode assets actually belonged to that limited company.

Tomaw fought legally with Lee to get the sale contract from what I've read; and apparently it _does_ legitimately own the network.

By "network", do you mean the domains? What did the sale contract say?

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

Community transitions to irc.libera.chat seem to be starting and things are happening step by step.

Note that currently irc.libera.chat is under a lot of load, and might take some time to get things organized/get load sorted/etc.

As a minor upside: I'm seeing people live who possibly haven't actually been online for a long while!

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by xfitm3 »

Macha wrote: post #128
xfitm3 wrote: post #125

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I happen to like nickserv's UX. There are far worse UIs on the web. Simple is good.

The fact that nickserv is just another user and you can't be sure the network had taken precaution to avoid another using swiping the name in the event of a services outage is a problem. Add to that the (now admittedly rare) networks that don't use any form of nickserv and the phishing potential for users that don't realise that

The hostname mask is used to authenticate users. If someone can impersonate a hostname mask there are bigger problems.

Nicknames are ephemeral. It is designed to be this way.

You can use SASL and connect with a certificate to give yourself a fingerprint to validate your identity.

It's fun and simple. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by psy-q »

Arathorn wrote: post #192
psy-q wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running a Matrix homeserver is still quite a pain in the ass, especially because there is no real automatic way to purge old history. Join a busy room once and pay for it in megs or gigs of text stored in your DB forever. Just using a matrix.org account instead is antisocial at this point because of the resources you're taking from the project, whereas paying for a hosted homeserver might not be something everyone ca…

https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/develop/docs/mess... is the server config for automatically purging old history - it got added last year.

This does not apply to state events. I still had hundreds of MBs of those after purging :( I think it's not impossible to manage this, just a pain in the ass :D

Re: Leaving Freenode for a new network

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Post by jkaplowitz »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #133
fmajid wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it’s in the UK, where judges are prompt to issue “superinjunctions” where even discussing the injunction is contempt of court and can incur a prison sentence. Whether a monarchy without a written constitution, or separation of Church and State can be considered a democracy is left as an exercise to the reader.

The constitution is entirely written, we're just not sure which documents are part of it...

Source? Everything I've ever heard about the UK constitution is that it has both written and unwritten elements. Indeed, no statute or court ruling even defines the important head of government role of Prime Minister.
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