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Yes. Android and gmail are my last two to get rid of. I was wanting to play with mail in a box, but this morning had an alert on my phone demanding my birthdate within 14 days. So, I'll be expediting google out of my life within the next 14 days.
Android is so bad for privacy.
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#202It's seriously time to re-embrace the idea of ownership and control of our devices, and reject Android and iOS altogether. Developing for those platforms has become worse and more restrictive over the years, and this kind of crap is now just everyday news. How good are Pinephones[1]? Are there better alternatives? [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
I’d be hesitant to jump on another platform unless it has a way of locking down app permissions similar to iOS. I think it’s been shown that the app review process is a farce, but the permissions system like the new app tracking feature is great for privacy and security. If this droid script equivalent were going to start reading my emails watching me through the camera, reading my clipboard, or tracking my real worl…
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Well, as both an end-user and tinkerer, I'd rather not have to own two devices when I can go out and get one that will cover all my bases.
Good luck with that. See how long that last, if the current trend continues. Soon you might have to aquire a certified developerversion to unlock your device to tinker with it.
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>> "Can't you just make us a general-purpose computer that runs all the programs, except the ones that scare and anger us? Can't you just make us an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?"[1] The War On General Purpose Computing continues. Far too many business models depend on selling general purpose computers as "appliances". They presume it is possible to…
There's nothing wrong with the appliance business model - embedded devices that use microcontrollers are Turing complete and yet no one complains about those. It's only when devices are marketed as general-purpose (i.e. smartphones, PCs) but are locked down to prevent running arbitrary user-loaded code that it becomes a problem.
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The battle really parallels the larger right to repair debate. (Especially if we realize the latter is probably is better called the right to exercise control over purchased goods.)
The right to purchase. It's become an issue of defining "purchasing". But companies don't want us to purchase appliances, they would be much happier if we could rent them.
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I can add third-party repositories to F-Droid. The default F-Droid repository may be a walled garden but as far as I can tell the app and protocol are definitely not.
A walled garden doesn't necessarily exist solely of proprietary protocols and code. In the case of fdroid, apps that violate open source licenses are not allowed. So, technically, from the perspective of a company like Facebook, fdroid is a walled garden they cannot enter without open sourcing their code. (I'm not saying fdroid's policies are bad. I'm just trying to make an argument for the counterside and am playing…
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> Google advocates always make the argument that endusers "can just root their phones and install the APKs anyways" which is similar to f-droid with an external repository. Most non-technical endusers simply won't do that.
Android skirts around the criticisms fielded towards iOS by technically allowing users to install and distribute third-party apps. The real problem with Android is that the default distribution platform (Google Play Store) is a walled-garden, proprietary app with such a massively disproportionate market share that most users don't even realize there are alternatives. And Google ensures their store will always be the default because they hold their proprietary Google Play Services for ransom. And Google Play Services is so valuable because it provides many convenient features and functions, including some which used to be part of the operating system itself.
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#208> We don't allow apps with any code that could put a user, a user’s data, or a device at risk. If Google thinks the ability to execute arbitrary code puts users' data at risk why don't they go the full iOS route and ban everything, from scripting apps to other JS engines beside Chromium? I am so sick of their behaviour, the only reason I am still on Android because things like F-Droid still exists and iOS is even mor…
The console tab of Chrome's developer tools allow arbitrary code execution. That example is not a security violation, ergo arbitrary code execution is potentially but not necessarily a security violation.
A valid remediation requires more than just arbitrary code execution, such as privilege escalation or leaking containment.
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#209Google bans thing. Ban gets attention on HN and a few other social media sites. Google unbans thing. Repeat.
The second step only happens for a small select group of "things." There are myriad apps, people and organizations that Google has blindly banned with no recourse or reasonable appeal that we will never hear about. The bigger point is the system is clearly broken, but how in the world can you fix it?
There are plenty of other companies that have many more humans in the chain where problems like these eventually get resolved once proper appeals are conducted or someone physically walks into a business and participates in whatever verification method is required.
The idea that Google is somehow special is laughable. Compared to some other industries that are directly consumer facing the number of apps and developers is actually small.
Also, they're not doing it without pay. They're taking a 30% cut from an industry approaching a trillion dollars in annual revenue. Again, the idea they can't solve this problem if they were willing to spend the money is absurd.
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#210> We don't allow apps with any code that could put a user, a user’s data, or a device at risk. If Google thinks the ability to execute arbitrary code puts users' data at risk why don't they go the full iOS route and ban everything, from scripting apps to other JS engines beside Chromium? I am so sick of their behaviour, the only reason I am still on Android because things like F-Droid still exists and iOS is even mor…
>> "Can't you just make us a general-purpose computer that runs all the programs, except the ones that scare and anger us? Can't you just make us an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?"[1] The War On General Purpose Computing continues. Far too many business models depend on selling general purpose computers as "appliances". They presume it is possible to…
But, the "freedom is indivisible" take is not always useful, particularly not on its own. There are practical realities to contend with and the world of appliance-computing is big and complicated. A lot of issues relate to back competition, or lack thereof, for example.
>> an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?
Look... The problems coming to fruition today have been talked about on HN/etc. for decades. They're hitting the political stage, and all those discussions have near zero impact. The ideas were never translated to general consumption form. We always prefered to be right over effective.
The average politician has never stops to think about how www, linux, email, gnu, wikipedia and such are possible, what that means. If they did, they don't have the vocabulary for it. We didn't give it to them. Just let them read "cathedral & bazaar" or somesuch. Instead of working we snarked our incomprensible principled platitudes. Worse, we arrogantly assumed we'd win anyway. The internet couldn't be locked down. A country who tried to make Great Firewall would fail. Property rights would be redefined^ because digital copyright is impossible and the internet is more important than Beatles royalties. How wrong we were. How seldom we remember it.
Classic ideologies like Marx, Rand & such tend to fall into this exact arrogant trope. I am so right about everything that it's all inevitable. History will conspire. The arrogant fools. Us too.
Think of all the pull that Disney, EMI, etc have. Every politician can recite the case for copyright verbatim, along with the other talking points. Protecting their interests is literally one of the main things the US uses its might for. It's always a non negotiable demand in trade relations. Every politician or hack commentator knows to cite "stealing intellectual property" as a complaints against china or whatnot. Major digital legislation (eg DMCA) was written by and for them, along with other laws.
Conversely, very few politicians or hack commentators could articulate a digital freedom case, a case against copyright militancy, or a case the against software patents. Those that can will be freestyling it. No "talking point" sheets. No consistency. No real lobby. No solidarity. No effectiveness.
How the f##k do EMI & Disney have much more influence than us, or at least Google & such? We are arrogant fools. That's how. They're entertainment industries. We're the engine of modern economies. DMCA affected the tech business just as much as Disney. We even had status quo on our side, so all we needed was a hung jury. How did we lose this? It's a joke. Like Mike Tyson losing to McBride.
Right to Repair should have been long won. We should be battling for OS mandates on the back of it by this point.
So... where are we now? Politicians and journalist-types are literally starting to think of regulating social media as a "common carrier." Concepts recycled from early 20th century Telcom sagas. Not "neutral" carriers. Not "open" networks. No "free as in freedom." In fact, it seems like no idea from the personal computing age has influenced anything. No one who understands FOSS or how the www works is even in the room... the room where decentralising an internet-based communications network is being strategized. Do we realize how big a failure this is?
^No shade intended. I agreed ATT. I still do in the abstract. But, the lack of "what we need to do" was a mistake, IMO. History does not drive itself: http://www.paulgraham.com/property.html