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There is a patch thanks to contributor Marx but everyone keeps pressing "remind me later".
Probbably due to the memory of the deaths of millions of people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_... You get bit by a viper in the bathroom and your going to avoid that bathroom for a while.
We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis
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Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis
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It would be interested to know how this process looked like. I'd imagine it was very gradual and consisted of little steps each leading to the next one, and when they finally started to serve ads they were probably thinking it's not that bad. I believe crossing that line made paved the way for considering things like tracking the whole web morally acceptable, maybe even positive.
The DoubleClick acquisition was the inflection point, even obviously at the time. Before that AdWords was reasonably in-line with Google's standards and culture.
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From the article > 12-moth plan > 6-month plan Why would a dating site have a 12-month plan, and why would a user of a dating site want a 12-month plan? Not only would you hopefully want to be off the site within 12 months, as soon as you found someone compatible, you would hopefully delete the app, but you've unnecessarily paid for months you will (hopefully) never use. I don't understand why anything but month-to-m…
The cost of 12 months of a dating site is trivial compared to the benefits of finding the right person. If someone offered you a soulmate if you gave them a couple hundred dollars, you'd take it in a second, right? Paying ahead actually aligns your incentives better, because the site is no longer incentivized to drag you along single month after month to keep you paying.
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Yep. Money is the one unpatchable zero-day for every platform and service on earth.
There is a patch thanks to contributor Marx but everyone keeps pressing "remind me later".
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Or, maybe, "Everybody is altruistic until they have shareholders." The idea that companies should only be beholden to shareholders that has taken firm hold over the past 50(+/-) years doesn't look to be a good one, in hindsight.
Past 50 years, really? "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." - Adam Smith, 1776
This concept was popularized by Milton Friedman with his Shareholder Theory. OP is not wrong.
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> I literally append "site:reddit.com" Stop saying that! The more people repeat that on HN, the more we risk advertisers realizing it and doing reddit-targeted SEO and reddit will be useless too! (I'm only half joking) Also, it's funny, I was just reading the thread about malaria eradication and DDT-resistant mosquitoes; the problem of SEO is eerily similar (any countermeasure is eventually defeated by evolution).
You are 10 years too late for that concern. I often wonder if there are any real people commenting, submitting, or upvoting left on Reddit.
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Google page ranking depends on how long people spend on the webpage, so if you have to wade through longform text, it mistakenly assumes that the content is quality. Note that most recipe blogs are fake. Someone wrote the original content long ago. Then, someone else hired a copywriter off a freelancing platform to change the words of the text just enough to avoid copyright violation, then put up a new copycat websit…
> Google page ranking depends on how long people spend on the webpage, so if you have to wade through longform text, it mistakenly assumes that the content is quality. Is this true? I have a hard time believing it because it's a pretty naive assumption. A site that lets me get what I'm after quickly is generally going to be what I want.
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From the article > 12-moth plan > 6-month plan Why would a dating site have a 12-month plan, and why would a user of a dating site want a 12-month plan? Not only would you hopefully want to be off the site within 12 months, as soon as you found someone compatible, you would hopefully delete the app, but you've unnecessarily paid for months you will (hopefully) never use. I don't understand why anything but month-to-m…
The cost of 12 months of a dating site is trivial compared to the benefits of finding the right person. If someone offered you a soulmate if you gave them a couple hundred dollars, you'd take it in a second, right? Paying ahead actually aligns your incentives better, because the site is no longer incentivized to drag you along single month after month to keep you paying.
I like to think defensively especially when it involves companies. What are they doing, and what do they stand to achieve?
These apps have not shown any value to their users, paywall their content and have an aggressive-long-term subscription model because they have optimised themselves straight into the garbage can, by thinking short term.
Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis
#209Since Dartmouth AI looks like a story of naive visions, exaggerated promises, massive disappointment, recurrent divisionary tactics, rebranding and snak oil sale. Until finally a light on the horizon became visible and academically camouflaged wishful thinking could be materialized into usable products. A groping in the dark, nothing more. There are probably good reasons why the blind watchmaker needed billions of ye…
The blind Watchmaker -> creator of the physical Universe The seeing Watchmaker -> human engineering "(We) wish the human some progress, obviously egotistical and delusional, on whatever the human makes next" I believe this slightly poetic word salad references certain theological problems about the capacity of man compared to a Creator. The conclusion is that the future is uncertain and the human is flawed, but an in…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Watchmaker
I thought it was common knowledge, but maybe I'm getting old.
Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis
#210I really like the expression "metadata analysis". It's very succinct, describes very much what AI/ML often boils down to in 2 (rather) simple words. I will try to remember this. The marketing guys in cooperation with journalists won the battle for now but words will be replaced by others again and again and even change their meaning, so maybe next time the shiny new technology will get more adequate wording? (well, m…
The minute 'AI' solves a problem the problem is removed from that class of problems that require 'AI'. If the problem is difficult enough we might award the new solution its own name.
It feels to me that we started calling ML “AI” when deep learning became powerful enough to work on less clearly structured problems like vision and NLP—but “find patterns in complex data” does not seem powerful enough for what I would consider “intelligence” (artificial or otherwise). I don’t think that stateless/idempotent ML is capable of what most people would recognize as intelligence; in part because I suspect a history is required for a system to be self-correcting over time.