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Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#202Can we just all agree that censorship is bad? All this "nuance" about censorship vs deplatforming, or worries about misinformation, just sound like rationalizing something we know is wrong. This power is always abused. It's always just another way to say "sure, I believe in democracy, so long as I get to 'educate' you and prevent you from hearing anything that might change your mind about who to vote for". Religion i…
Censoring Maduro, effectively a dictator, is absolutely the right thing to do here despite the effect being overblown (it’s a Facebook page after all). There is no reason to require a private platform to host any and all content, telling Facebook that once a page is created it must stay.
Forbidding Facebook from controlling its own platform is a slippery slope.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#203Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…
Strong disagree, at this point people have choosen sides and any attempt to influence people one way or the other will look either pathetic, at an absolute best, or hamfisted if you don't roll a natural 20.
And you really don't want more hamfisted attempts to educate people to your way of seeing the world unless you also want to repeat january 6th.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#204Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…
Another problem is that something like this can function as "evidence" for the claim. There are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. It's similar to the Streisand Effect or "Banned in Boston" but for belief rather than attention. It seems like the better solution is to have an outpour…
You would only have an outpouring of discussion as to why the claim is wrong if you are 100% certain the claim is wrong.
Last spring the CDC and the WHO were consistently wrong on masks, on asymmetric spread, etc on just about everything.
Maybe the experts themselves don't even trust what is supposedly the truth anymore.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously Maduro is a problematic despotic leader, but who are Facebook to be arbiters of thrush and falsehood? We’ve gone down the path of good intentions that leads to hell. Does this not interfere with self determination? Is there one true north now? Have Facebook found all truth? This is getting ridiculous.
For their own platform? Facebook is, obviously. How is this even a question? It's not like a head of state doesn't have plenty of power to send messages through other means. Since when are private actors obligated to let them speak on private platforms?
>For their own platform? Facebook
That is an American pow, that is not shared in Europe or China.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and there was no mass production of masks yet But that’s not what they said. Fauci said “healthy people do not need to wear masks.” So he either lied then or is lying now. The reason for the lie is irrelevant. If healthy people should wear masks, the lack of production capability doesn’t change the fact. If masks work and Fauci knew they worked, then his statement that healthy people don’t need masks was scientific…
> So he either lied then or is lying now. There’s also the option that he was wrong and learned/was educated. A lot of scientific progress works like that. “He lied” implies intention.
Sorry, but when you are the chief advisor in a national crisis you don't get to learn on the job.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#207Can we just all agree that censorship is bad? All this "nuance" about censorship vs deplatforming, or worries about misinformation, just sound like rationalizing something we know is wrong. This power is always abused. It's always just another way to say "sure, I believe in democracy, so long as I get to 'educate' you and prevent you from hearing anything that might change your mind about who to vote for". Religion i…
I agree that censorship of science is bad. Giving powerful people a free megaphone for their opinions and anecdotal bs is also bad. Nobody believes there is one right answer, but amplifying stupid is a recipe for disaster.
It's not a megaphone. A megaphone forces people to hear whether they want to or not, and drowns out others trying to speak. A facebook page does neither.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#208Can we just all agree that censorship is bad? All this "nuance" about censorship vs deplatforming, or worries about misinformation, just sound like rationalizing something we know is wrong. This power is always abused. It's always just another way to say "sure, I believe in democracy, so long as I get to 'educate' you and prevent you from hearing anything that might change your mind about who to vote for". Religion i…
Censoring Maduro, effectively a dictator, is absolutely the right thing to do here despite the effect being overblown (it’s a Facebook page after all). There is no reason to require a private platform to host any and all content, telling Facebook that once a page is created it must stay. Forbidding Facebook from controlling its own platform is a slippery slope.
I didn't say FB should be forced to do anything. I am just saying that what they are doing is bad.
Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another problem is that something like this can function as "evidence" for the claim. There are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. It's similar to the Streisand Effect or "Banned in Boston" but for belief rather than attention. It seems like the better solution is to have an outpour…
You would only have an outpouring of discussion as to why the claim is wrong if you are 100% certain the claim is wrong. Last spring the CDC and the WHO were consistently wrong on masks, on asymmetric spread, etc on just about everything. Maybe the experts themselves don't even trust what is supposedly the truth anymore.
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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So he either lied then or is lying now. There’s also the option that he was wrong and learned/was educated. A lot of scientific progress works like that. “He lied” implies intention.
Sorry, but when you are the chief advisor in a national crisis you don't get to learn on the job.
I don’t consider that a reasonable stance. New things happen all of the time, all people need to learn on the job. Scientific consensus at the beginning of the COVID pandemic was limited, transmission vectors largely unknown. There must be room for unknowns even for top advisors.