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Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by Der_Einzige »

macspoofing wrote: post #64
nannal wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument might be more appealing if we hadn't just come through a pandemic that an unnamed group of people were more than happy to describe as a hoax. There's the myth of election theft if you needed a second example. There really is a lot of 'misinformation' (outright lying) on social media.

This is a great illustration of the point I'm making. Thank you for providing a crystal clear example of how we got here. >This argument might be more appealing if we hadn't just come through a pandemic that an unnamed group of people were more than happy to describe as a hoax. Yes. If you give people a platform they'll say all kinds of things, true, untrue, and, partly true. Regarding COVID, what's interesting is so…

Hillary conceded literally in day one. The democrats who said "not my president" shut up and stopped protesting after a month.

You're trying so hard to make it seem like this is a both sides problem but we all know that it isn't. Political rehtoric is far different than actually taking the capital over.

Plus - the democrat lost elections due to it being "stolen" narrative you claim is being fostered by the democrats is more likely being fostered by the democrats political enemies. I don't believe bernie sanders is begging his supporters to stay home because bernie got screwed on super delegates in 2016 or 2020. Most of the "not my president" crap might as well have been from russian bots with how effective it is for democrats. So, maybe you should celebrate democratic incompetence since you dislike them so much...

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by Xylakant »

briandear wrote: post #55
m45t3r wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, context matters. OMS avoided recommending masks at the start of the pandemic since no study showed the efficacy of it, and there was no mass production of masks yet. So recommending it for general population would only generate shortage of masks for those who needed (frontline medics and nurses treating the cases). So this is why they're so against it.

> and there was no mass production of masks yet But that’s not what they said. Fauci said “healthy people do not need to wear masks.” So he either lied then or is lying now. The reason for the lie is irrelevant. If healthy people should wear masks, the lack of production capability doesn’t change the fact. If masks work and Fauci knew they worked, then his statement that healthy people don’t need masks was scientific…

> So he either lied then or is lying now.

There’s also the option that he was wrong and learned/was educated. A lot of scientific progress works like that. “He lied” implies intention.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by lupire »

jamesgreenleaf wrote: post #8
abhinav22 wrote: post #2

Not sure about this - I don’t think government leaders or anybody should be censored. Better to have public health messages as part of the platform than to censor It’s a fine line between hate and misinformation and dissent (Clearly the content in question is wrong; but in other cases, WHO and others been proven incorrect - eg on masks and asymptotic transmission) Don’t know what the answer is, we don’t want echo cha…

Another problem is that something like this can function as "evidence" for the claim. There are large groups of people who believe that censorship like this validates a worldview in which powerful interests are censoring true information in order to maintain control. It's similar to the Streisand Effect or "Banned in Boston" but for belief rather than attention. It seems like the better solution is to have an outpour…

It's a hard problem. Liars can spam lies much faster than honest people can debunk it.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by alkonaut »

Lazare wrote: post #37

Conventional wisdom in the US is that Maduro is a ruthless, violent dictator, who has suppressed opposition, smuggled drugs, funded terrorism, violated human rights, etc. But that doesn't get you kicked off Facebook. Facebook and Twitter happily provide platforms to violent, human rights abusing regimes. ...but recommend one snake oil cure for Covid-19, and suddenly the hammer drops, I guess? Interesting priorities.

I can kind of see the difference possibly being that Politics is slow moving. Journalists will call out bad behavior and other journalists will call out bad journalism.

With some events - such as the pandemic, or the aftermath of the US election, information doesn’t have time to pass through the normal cycle. The damage is already done if a lie gets viral the wrong way. It’s better to suppress one truth and one lie (overreact) then.

The key differentiator isn’t “how bad is this” but “how damaging is it if this information reaches X million people in 48 hours?”.

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by seoaeu »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #15
cabirum wrote: post #12

People should start thinking twice before using US-controlled platforms/services/anything.

It is unfortunate, but US shot itself in the foot by proving that it is not willing to be a neutral third party, which it was perceived as in the 90s.

There's a balance though. You might have more power if you're perceived as neutral, but actually using power is inherently non-neutral

Re: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over Covid-19

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Post by Der_Einzige »

nullserver wrote: post #70
Der_Einzige wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this all as a joke or as a way to impress upon people the risks of wokism - but every type of justification for someone having more power over another comes down to someone claiming that their form of running the state is better than others - and that uneducated idiots shouldn't hold power. This isn't leftism gone wrong - this is the allegory of the cave.

Some people advocate for authorities to have less power over others.

And no one wants to elect them. How do anarchists and libertarians do in elections? Oh right pretty terrible everywhere. You know it's bad when your best counterarguments are the zapistas or like catalonia circa the 1930s
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