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Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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post #190

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PR citizenship is a thing (ie, a document) that PR will give you after one year, or sooner if you are indeed a Puerto Rican or if you have Puerto Rican parents. But the document will not work in conjunction with the Spain 2-year path to citizenship. To be clear, the PR document says it's possible (for a mainland American), but Spain does not recognize it unless you're Puerto Rican. Source: I tried it and went through…

> Spain does not recognize it unless you're Puerto Rican. So if you parents aren't from PR, or if you do not speak spanish or what? > Source: I tried it and went through the process. I'm from mainland US, lived in PR and now live in Spain. Tell me more about it! I'm thinking about moving to PR if there are more Covid restriction due to the new administration (curfew like in Europe) I'm also considering Spain.

>So if you parents aren't from PR, or if you do not speak spanish or what?

If you are born in Puerto Rico or your parents are Puerto Rican, you can get the PR citizenship document, which has little value, outside of using it to show Spain you're Latin American (after you've reached the 2-yr mark legally living in Spain). So, you'd need to be Puerto Rican in one of the ways described, plus find a way to legally live in Spain for 2 years, then present the document when you apply for citizenship.

>I'm thinking about moving to PR if there are more Covid restriction due to the new administration (curfew like in Europe)

PR's Covid restrictions at the height were just as bad, if not worse, than other places. But that depends on case numbers. Currently the situation is as follows (site):

https://www.discoverpuertorico.com/info/travel-guidelines

>I'm also considering Spain

If you can show enough funds to sustain yourself while in Spain, you can apply for a non-lucrative visa which means you won't be able to take a Spaniard's job but you can still work online for a company abroad. It's essentially a non-work visa. Funds you'll need to show, per year, are at around $27,000 (even if cost of living is way less). Initial visa is one year, renewal is two years, and the second renewal is also two years, which gets you to the five year mark where you can apply for permanent residency. After your first 183 days in Spain, in a calendar year, you are considered a Spanish tax resident, and Spain has rather high taxes. Under the US-Spain double taxation agreement, you'd pay taxes to Spain and then apply for a credit on your US taxes.

Spain is really locked down, internally, so if I were you, I'd wait til late 2021 to consider coming here. It's insane the amount of things I cannot currently do here, and have not been able to do for many months.

Although if you want to be in Europe and wait it out, try Albania. Americans can stay there as tourists, visa-free, for one year (due to the US having helped Kosovo in the 90s, where 90% are ethnic Albanians). It's cheap, beautiful, and has nice people. Check out Dabble and Travel's late 2020 YT videos on Albania. Georgia is another country where you can stay for one year, as an American.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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- Taiwan (Gold Visa) https://t.co/jaLtwUr9fd

- Finland (90 day trial)

- Singapore (Techpass)

- Portugal (Tech Visa)

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- New Zealand (EHF) https://www.ehf.org/

- Chile (Startup Chile)

- Estonia https://t.co/cZWk4yJRQC

- Wyoming (best US crypto laws)

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- Lithuania https://t.co/TJYCgnHxn3

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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If you need another data point, my partner and I only pay about 25% of our combined after-tax salary in rent, living in a "major German city" (both employed in STEM). Factor in an additional 10/15% for living costs and we are left with significant disposable income, in my eyes.

Thanks for sharing. I'm curious how much do you and your spouse make as that's the main factor.

55k and 75k yearly pre-tax, but as a PhD student and recent graduate we expect to get a significant increase in a few years as I also join the industry and we both level up.

But, as said by others, comparing raw numbers is pointless. Even if we spent the 2/3k that are left each month, we'd still have health insurance and pension paid for by our taxes. We aren't forced to build so much wealth to weather bad times because proper insurance is built in the system.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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post #147

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> These three countries’ job market is accessible with a Schengen visa. Is that true? I'd have assumed that EU citizens have access, but non-EU would need to apply specifically for FL/CH work permits. (and I'm not sure, is there actually a EU-wide work permit for non-EU? I had the impression that each country is still handling non-EU permit separately) (tourist visa are different of course)

I don’t know about FL but for CH you do have to apply for a permit. However, if you have a job offer and an EU passport you basically just pay the fee for the permit and you’ll get it (usually for five years). And af r the five years you can either renew your work permit or apply for permanent residency. Same goes for CH nationals who want to work in the EU.

Definitely as CH takes part in the freedom of movement with EU.

My comment was really about non EU+ nationals. If you get a working permit as a 3rd party national with no treaty with EU, in eg Germany, can you just move to Spain and work?

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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post #189

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That website is next to useless in most of europe. Too few data points and too much noise apart from a few big well known companies.

But for the places with those well known companies it's a good way to check salaries across location. (Which should still be a proxy for overall market)

>Which should still be a proxy for overall market

Unfortunately not true. Just because some FAANG in the area will be able to pay you €150k+ TC, doesn't mean all local companies will automatically try to match that. You might be surprised how wide the TC gap is between FAANG & Co. and local players who might laugh in your face if you ask for more than €80k. Simply put, most EU companies can't match such levels of pay but will have no shortage of talent.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Disloyalty and parasitism. With no hard ties to the community, they treat it like a disposable. Look at how quickly they trashed San Francisco. Looks like Austin is next. I pray for them.

Thinking about it a bit more, I wanted to acknowledge that I think there’s also a challenge around knowledge. Unless transient population might have a deeper memory for what has worked in the past and not worked in the past, and be better able to hold people accountable.

With some of these people sitting on three passports, I doubt they'd put any deep history to use -- treating a town the same way many mutual funds treat a stock: "this company no longer meets our investment criteria" -- DUMP

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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post #112

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What do you need this wealth for? Bear in mind that wealth is relative. The differences in cost of living are dramatic between countries so a much smaller wealth in one country can be much larger in another.

> What do you need this wealth for? Insurance for the future. Maybe I get bored of software, maybe I want to take a few years off and not have to work. Maybe I won't be able to "unprogram" the consumerist habits I picked up in the US and will fall back into buying things I don't really need (like Hi-Fi, photography equipment, gaming rigs, TVs, etc...) and will need funds to continue doing that. I don't know, I guess…

A million dollars is 20k per year for fifty years. You can life pretty well off that in one of the poorer European countries, or in a poorer area of a richer European country.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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post #191

I started looking at getting my Italian citizenship last year and then COVID hit and I wasn't about to travel to the consulate in San Francisco to deal with it. Kids have both US and Italian though. I hope to do it at some point, although I have some nagging doubts about Italy making a grab for US assets that are probably unfounded.

Ha, I'm literally looking into the same thing as well. Somehow I was never informed that me and my kids are eligible. Its supposedly somewhat easier because because my mother is an Italian citizen and living. But I didn't want to have to travel somewhere either. I did read something about how you can get it done quickly while in Italy. I'm kicking myself having missed the chance to do that while I was there a couple of years ago. Open to any advice you might have.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Thanks for sharing. I'm curious how much do you and your spouse make as that's the main factor.

55k and 75k yearly pre-tax, but as a PhD student and recent graduate we expect to get a significant increase in a few years as I also join the industry and we both level up. But, as said by others, comparing raw numbers is pointless. Even if we spent the 2/3k that are left each month, we'd still have health insurance and pension paid for by our taxes. We aren't forced to build so much wealth to weather bad times beca…

So you're making those numbers as PhD students instead of workers? Where do I sign up? ;)

What domain are you in if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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> A grand total of none of my international friends have anywhere near the wealth, nor earning potential I do, and they never will. It’s an exceedingly large, compounding edge. That's because most of us are not obsessed with wealth. We tend to be satisfied with some level of comfort and security and focus on other things in life. I guess that's a cultural thing. > Everyone knows our healthcare system is asinine. It d…

During the covid crisis I’ve stopped telling my American friends about the situation here in Australia. There’s been some political mud throwing about which state managed it best - but we brought the numbers to zero, and have done it as a nation several times now. Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down. You might have more earning potential in the US, but I’d much rathe…

> Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down.

Funny, talking to my friends in Asia (to which I consider Australia/NZ to be a part of) it feels the exact same way!

I can tell them how I go anywhere without wearing a mask, some people make snide remarks but that's it - while they have to declare their address in restaurants, and face all kind of restrictions like not being able to return to their country without a quarantine.

> I’d much rather make a bit less money and live in a country with a functioning healthcare system

With money, in the US you'll get the best healthcare money can buy (or you can travel to Asia to get it cheaper)

For the rest (welfare etc), I really prefer the US way - it feels better to me to have people strongly incentivized to behave, yet free. I guess we are different.

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