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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by gamekathu »

S53Vflnr4n wrote: post #154
gamekathu wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point was mainly directed at both PR and naturalization aspects of Canada that was mentioned in this post. Even if you are not a student, the road to PR in Quebec is long if you do not have meet the language requirement. Typically you apply for Quebec Selection Certificate (CSQ) which is a pre-requirement for PR. This pre-requirement also has a pre-requirement nowadays, which is getting an invitation to apply for…

People choosing Quebec to immigrate must be either fluent in French or stupid. Quebec immigration is perhaps one of the most arcane system and politically influenced. To compare it only takes 4 or 6 months to get a PR in rest of Canada if you have the right skills. In Quebec, even if you have the right skills and speaks French, it takes a minimum of 2 years if the red tape allows. If you do not know French with the r…

For some people the choice is governed by the educational institution. Sure, I could have applied to UofT but my research led me to McGill (and I’m frankly glad that happened).

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Post by ericmay »

refurb wrote: post #119
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #117

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It also doesn't measure resources. The median wealth is the assets at disposal for the average citizen. eg. if they sold their homes, cars etc. Australia has 3x the wealth which isn't bizzarre. It's new and hard to grasp for a lot of people since this has only happened since 2008. But the USA has fallen. It's fallen a lot. The typical US citizen is far far poorer than people from many other countries. This is an obje…

Read your link and what I quoted. It does measure natural resources and a bunch of other “wealth” that goes far beyond personal, disposable wealth. You basically referenced a link you didn’t read. And like I said, when you look at the ranking it doesn’t make sense unless they did include things beyond personal wealth. You really think the average Spaniard is wealthier than the average Norweagean?

Agree completely. I think these numbers look more realistic as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

Sorry for the "downvotes are the disagree button" that you are experiencing for raising good and interesting discussion points, and frankly calling out misleading numbers that were posted. I didn't know that the average German was worse off and poorer than the average person from Greece (I guess finally the wealth transfer from Germany to Greece is being reflected in the numbers! - kidding, kind of).

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

blackbear_ wrote: post #153
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #133

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>One of my friends just left Munich for Colorado, he said houses are still too expensive in major German cities and salaries too low. Thanks for pointing this out as it is very important information to have vs. everything we hear about Germany being "the best place in the world" and "you don't need to buy property as everyone here rents" .

If you need another data point, my partner and I only pay about 25% of our combined after-tax salary in rent, living in a "major German city" (both employed in STEM). Factor in an additional 10/15% for living costs and we are left with significant disposable income, in my eyes.

Thanks for sharing. I'm curious how much do you and your spouse make as that's the main factor.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

tonfa wrote: post #143
vecinu wrote: post #109

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Thanks for sharing. I spent some time in Europe albeit that was a long time ago and I feel like I was too young to experience the hardships of life I'm facing in the US. I know the safety nets you're referring to, they're there for health care, unemployment and worker rights. Things that don't really exist for most people in the US if they're unemployed or in a regular job. I'm lucky to be in a well paid, high lucrat…

> I keep hearing how I'll just have to swallow a tiny salary compared to SV wages if I move to any EU country, Switzerland included. Did you check e.g. levels.fyi?

That website is next to useless in most of europe. Too few data points and too much noise apart from a few big well known companies.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by barrkel »

emteycz wrote: post #157
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #137

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> I have accumulated and will continue accumulating wealth that would be impossible to accumulate in any European country in my lifetime. "Some people are so poor that all they have is money."

Don't act like you don't need a lot of money in Europe.

Well, you don't need a lot of money. The exception would normally be medical needs but those are generally covered if you're in the system. You may want things that cost a lot of money, but this is a different problem, with more than one solution.

(I'm not advocating curtailed wants or frugality. My life is pretty comfy and I like it that way.)

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by s1artibartfast »

chaganated wrote: post #45

I would prefer exclusive citizenship requirements... cut mercenaries like Jacobson off like the gangrenous appendages they are.

While it seems obvious that you are not interested, What downside do you see about people with higher mobility and choice?

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by _Microft »

"The last time I looked, Estonia was not allowing anyone residing in the US to enter. A reasonable plan seems like it may be to travel to the UK/Ireland and then enter Estonia from there."

Oof, planning to circumvent procedures that countries established to protect their people. What a dick.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by croat_in_zurich »

mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

Sorry for the issues with the travesty called the Croatian citizenship law. They are too busy not accidentally giving citizenship to the "wrong" people.

I will vote, no questions asked, for any party proposing a Law of Return for passports, no matter where the person intends to live.

As for the Swiss immigration officials, they are very competent, but I've gotten the impression they always want me to leave back where I came from. I love Switzerland anyway.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by barrkel »

jacobr1 wrote: post #155
frosted-flakes wrote: post #80

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There are advantages to filing even when it's not required. Oddly enough, the US government still paid me $1200 + $600 of COVID economic relief (auto-deposited to my US bank account) even though I haven't lived in the US for many years. I didn't think I'd be eligible, but apparently I am (just in case, I haven't spent the money yet). It's weird that they gave the money so freely.

The money was given out pretty indiscriminately (on purpose, they didn't want vetting to slow down the process). There has been massive fraud, but on the otherhand the benefits made a real difference to a lot of people at a time when that mattered. I think keeping the money "in escrow" is a good idea. I know I'm above the income limits for some of the benefits, but still got them. I expect I'll need to pay them back…

Unconditional benefits are less susceptible to fraud because there aren't conditions to evade. They're also easier to administer and are generally progressive, as a fixed universal benefit is more useful to poor people than high income people, due to the diminishing marginal utility of most benefits. Taxation, as you say, does the rest.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by disabled »

mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

> It took several years and a good lawyer to get passed the beaucracy. Ultimately I received the Croatian passport and so did our children about half a year later.

Yeah, it is always advisable to get a Croatian lawyer when applying for Croatian citizenship, for example, even if you know exactly what you are doing.

Croatian law allows for loose arbitrary interpretations of the law by government servants in the bureaucracy. Even if you covered all of your bases and you did everything right, a lawyer stops such issues. Plus, Croatian law regulates exactly how much Croatian lawyers can charge, so it is not bad.

While my citizenship application went smoothly, even without the Croatian lawyer's assistance: If I were applying for US citizenship, for example, I would certainly use a lawyer, although for a different set of reasons. This is something to keep in mind for anyone considering emigrating anywhere, as the stakes can be high.

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