The Virus Changed. Now We Must ‘Get to Zero’ or Face Catastrophe

Post by rdiddly » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 7:36 PM UTC

rob74 wrote: post #164

gridspy wrote: post #82

As a citizen of New Zealand I believe a short, sharp lock-down combined with test & contact trace is the only route to zero. I think that this option is far far better than being in "half measures" restrictions for very long periods of time. When a country announces their lock-down measures I feel excited for their populace that they might finally be heading to zero. Then I read the holes in the measures: - Resturant…

Kudos to New Zealand, but I'll restate the obvious here: for this strategy it really helps if you're an island - not only with the initial implementation of the strategy, but also with staying virus-free once you reach that state. Because in NZ everyone who enters the country is registered and can be forced to follow the quarantine rules. By contrast, in the EU, we have land borders without border checks. Sure, peopl…

Post by MrRiddle » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #57

baxtr wrote: post #44

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Yes, agreed. It’s embarrassing for the UK... my point was that there is no example of a western, liberal country not being an island that was able to reach zero Covid. It’s just way easier as an island state.

This island nonsense needs to stop. All of the European countries were able to implement border controls as the Schengen Borders Code permits. They easily could have had a mandatory 2-week quarantine for all foreign approvals and had a similar result to Australia and New Zealand. They chose instead to mimic themselves after Sweden and opted to contain rather than eliminate the virus. Even now Macron refuses to impose…

Post by icelancer » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 8:22 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #194

icelancer wrote: post #126

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>> I'd hope there was some acceptable measure you could get through the courts here in the name of health. Interstate commerce clause is going to be nearly impossible to subvert in courts, much less state autonomy, and non-cooperating governors (primarily Republican, I'm sure, but Gov. Polis likely wouldn't go for it either). >> Talk about the issues, not some made up catch all names like "libertarian" My comment was…

We Americans are experts on what can't be done. Things that are routinely done in many places around the world, like universal healthcare, free education, and schools without shootings, are routinely declared "impossible" in America. Whenever you suggest even the slightest societal behavioral change to fight some public problem, you have hundreds of thousands of people simply dismissing it because "Americans won't do…

Post by croes » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 8:46 PM UTC

throwaway3699 wrote: post #119

croes wrote: post #37

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"who have essentially zero risk of COVID-19 mortality." With current virus, that could change with each mutation.

We cannot indefinitely implement totalitarian lockdowns based on the fact that something "might" happen. No joke, that is how dictatorships start.

Post by croes » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 8:47 PM UTC

herewegoagain2 wrote: post #81

croes wrote: post #37

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"who have essentially zero risk of COVID-19 mortality." With current virus, that could change with each mutation.

A lot of things COULD happen. For example, a meteor could hit the earth and wipe out all life. Therefore we should pour ALL resources into space exploration, not medicine.