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Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

hug wrote: post #27
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.

That is true, and it was remiss of me (and a good example of recency bias) to at all imply this is a Trump-specific problem.

I'm afraid that Trump's case is exceptional to the point that it's only hindering the discussion about what Twitter(/Facebook/YouTube) should be allowed or not to do.

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Post by M2Ys4U »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #176
pjc50 wrote: post #170

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> lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. The service that competes with youtube but is less convenient will necessarily be full of content banned from youtube.

Yeah, though as we can see from experience of Gab being the biggest Mastodon instance and Mastodon not having collapsed, it's possible to have an alternative without it necessarily becoming a "witch town".

I'd take the claim that Gab was "the biggest Mastodon instance" with a pinch of salt, to be honest.

Plus, they were immediately and almost universally banned by other instances in the fediverse

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by M2Ys4U »

harperlee wrote: post #171
berkes wrote: post #150

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> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. > > in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, Why do so many people insist on Growth and Largest, as metrics for 'success'? My local pub is a success. They are not worlds' largest pub. My Mom and Granny don't go there. They don't have parties with millions of people crammed in the place. Etc. Why can't Linux be called 'a success', the very moment…

Cost of physical distance enables niches that can be served by your local pub. If we could teleport (well, and cohabit the exact same space and tune out conversations of others at will so crowdiness is not an issue) they would have a much much harder time selling something unique. Scale aids in bringing people in, because it becomes the default choice.

I tend to avoid larger pubs because the quality of experience in smaller ones tends to be better.

Quantity has a quality of its own, and it's not always a good thing.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

berkes wrote: post #150
riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. > > in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, Why do so many people insist on Growth and Largest, as metrics for 'success'? My local pub is a success. They are not worlds' largest pub. My Mom and Granny don't go there. They don't have parties with millions of people crammed in the place. Etc. Why can't Linux be called 'a success', the very moment…

Aren't local pubs in the UK and certain other countries now mainly owned by corporate chains, not independent? In that case, there is definitely a concern with growth, though it might not be readily visible to patrons.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by M2Ys4U »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #26
hug wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case this is a serious question, without editorialising, the following has happened in the past 48 hours: * Trump has been bannned from Twitter. * Trump has attempted to use the POTUS account, and had those tweets removed. * Trump has been removed from Facebook. * Trump has been banned from Twitch. * The Discord server for the_donald has been banned from Discord. * Parler has been removed from the Google Play…

> For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.

I think the precedent of "if you incite violence you're no longer welcome" is a perfectly fine precedent to set.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by M2Ys4U »

josteink wrote: post #166
the_duke wrote: post #47

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https://joinpeertube.org/instances#instances-list

Looking at the list of instances available, it seems that PeerTube is particularly popular among French-speaking people compared to relative relative popularity of the language itself. Is there any reason cultural-wise to suggest why that may be?

Framasoft - the organisation behind PeerTube - is French

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

kylebenzle wrote: post #114
Imnimo wrote: post #112

I spent like 20 minutes trying to find something I would legitimately want to watch on PeerTube and came up empty. I can't tell if it's because PeerTube just happens to have a different type of content than what I like to watch, or because I don't understand how to make the best use of the search functionality, or if the search functionality is just bad. Regardless, it's a real tough sell for me to replace YouTube wi…

YouTube used to be like that. I think most people don't realize that for years YouTube was only good for watching Simpsons and Family Guy episodes. Without that start it never would have taken off.

I've been using YouTube since almost the beginning and have never even bothered with using it to watch traditional TV (legal or illegal).

Instead, when I remember that time (Google Video still was a competitor), things like these come to mind :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKqQxTURik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cq2ymJu7g

(ok, this last one actually predates YouTube by a decade :

https://web.archive.org/web/19991012210910/http://tie-tanic....

"Expect about a 4 hour download time for the 48 Meg. [13 min? 5 min? QuickTime .mov] Version using a 56K connection." )

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #17
wGeF7H8Z59y985y wrote: post #11

You can’t label everything you disagree with as extremism. Advocate for the destruction of Israel on the basis that the Muslim god said so? That’s extremism. Holding different political views? That’s part of being a healthy and diverse society. I wish Americans would grow up and learn to coexist.

The problem is that a lot of these websites that exist as a safe haven for those who have been deplatformed are cesspools. The early adopters are the most toxic people, and things just go downhill from there. Seriously, go look at parler or voat. Here's an archive the voat post where it's shutdown was announced: https://archive.is/0kOST Open it up and Control-F the n word or any antisemetic slur. That's not the sort…

Considering that Gab has (kind of) "joined" Mastodon, and Mastodon hasn't collapsed into a garbage fire, federated and/or decentralized services seem to be resistant to this issue.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by BlueTemplar »

detaro wrote: post #200
BlueTemplar wrote: post #198

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A few years ago the comparison wouldn't had stood : If both Visa and Mastercard happened to have banned you, them being pretty much the only two players in the market, you would be pretty much fucked. Meanwhile there were tons of ways to be hosted, including self-hosting. Nowadays I'm not so sure, both Visa/Mastercard duopoly doesn't seem to be as uncontested as before, and AWS kept growing ?

I don't really have the impression there's that much less hosting options now than a few years ago?

Maybe not, it's just that even more developers are going to use AWS without even considering other alternatives for hosting, just like using Github for their "open source" projects ?

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

pjfin123 wrote: post #190
jobigoud wrote: post #123

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I'm interested as well. How did you choose your PeerTube instance? What happens to the videos and followers if whoever runs peervideo.club stops what I assume is a side project of them?

This was the biggest problem with PeerTube. For Mastodon I clicked the big "join" button on the website and filtered by technology > foss and fosstodon.org was the largest option and seems to have a great community. For PeerTube trying to do the same thing I found some small technology instance with a few hundred videos. I chose peervideo.club because it's the 4th largest (so I'd be in good company if it's taken down…

I don't know whether this also applies to ActivityPub, but with Matrix it's similar to e-mail. If you use an identifier supplied by your instance, you run into the issue of having to tell people your new address. If you use your own domain as an identifier, you can simply redirect it to another instance if you switch.
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