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This just sounds like rationalization of your own choices. It is easy to be judgemental about monks when you already think that your choices offer real opportunities for growth.
The key is to want what you have, no? My combo is bringing together stoic philosophy, perennial enlightenment philosophy (it's all one, man) with a design thinking and new thought mentality (manifesting reality). That's what works for me.
You're enlightened – now what?
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The key is to want what you have, no? My combo is bringing together stoic philosophy, perennial enlightenment philosophy (it's all one, man) with a design thinking and new thought mentality (manifesting reality). That's what works for me.
And how does that work for you?
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#204The idea of enlightenment as a vague loosely-defined “I know it when I see it” phenomena is mostly a western “new age” cultural misappropriation of Buddhist teaching. Enlightenment is well-defined and described in detail by the Buddhist cannon. You can call “enlightenment” whatever you want, but Buddha taught a specific conception of enlightenment and a specific path to achieving it. The Tripitaka describes enlighten…
This detail addresses none of the questions raised in the post. Either escaping these ten fetters confers a detachment from the world such that one no longer needs to change it, or one wants to share this state with the world and then has to grapple with those challenges identified in the post.
I think you can generalize this phenomenon to Buddhist enlightenment.
(PS. I believe the original teachings of Buddhism are essential and valid, and the Zen model of enlightenment should not be interpreted as contradicting them.)
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This detail addresses none of the questions raised in the post. Either escaping these ten fetters confers a detachment from the world such that one no longer needs to change it, or one wants to share this state with the world and then has to grapple with those challenges identified in the post.
You’re right, I should have mentioned that the Buddha and the Tripitaka do talk about “what does someone do after being enlightened.” To sum it up, once someone is fully enlightened (arahant) they would either live as a monk (otherwise they’d still be attached to household fetters) or choose to die. In the Tripitaka there are not many examples of lay people who reach arahant stage. In the Milindapanha Buddha is suppo…
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That father's life of suffering is also a life with a sizable family that he had the privilege of supporting. That is enlightenment.
What is enlightenment?
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Well, observing the decrease in quality and increase in frustration on HN over the years, I'd double down on my opinion any day. The more junk on HN that has nothing to do with code, the more people complain, the worse the quality is, etc. Year after year, it's held true. I don't hesitate to posit either that moderation decisions have severely decreased the quality of the HN experience. A a cyber-hammer as the arbite…
Sorry, I don't think I'm parsing this completely, but if you fish around in the archives using HN Search it's not hard to see that complaints like this go back to the beginning of the site. Actually it's kind of fun: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... As the sayi…
If you'd prefer a private conversation, I'd be open to that; I'm curious to know if you write code on any kind of regular basis professionally.
As I see it, your response further cements my point, that there's a huge chunk of people unhappy with content here, and a moderation instrument that is acutely aware of it and firmly poised to change it, and yet refuses to.
You might say something about diversity of content, I just don't think that's what HN is best to pursue. I'm here to read news that appeals to me. I write code, I read code, I want to read news about that. Enlightenment is not it.
Thanks for the response.
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Sorry, I don't think I'm parsing this completely, but if you fish around in the archives using HN Search it's not hard to see that complaints like this go back to the beginning of the site. Actually it's kind of fun: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22how%20is%20this%22%20%22hac... As the sayi…
If you don't mind me asking dang, what sort of technical work do you do? If you'd prefer a private conversation, I'd be open to that; I'm curious to know if you write code on any kind of regular basis professionally. As I see it, your response further cements my point, that there's a huge chunk of people unhappy with content here, and a moderation instrument that is acutely aware of it and firmly poised to change it,…
These complaints are not coming from a "huge chunk of people", and the fact that they've been more or less stable since the community started is at least evidence that there isn't a massive decline, which is what the complaints always posit.
I'm happy to answer your question about technical work but why does that matter in this context? (I'll tell you why I ask: you've already made more than one comment about the moderators here which express that you've got a problem with us for some reason, so this feels like a gotcha question, and it feels lousy to be cross-examined.)
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#209Zen saying: "Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment chop wood, carry water" . Some more from Ram Dass: “Just because you are seeing divine light, experiencing waves of bliss, or conversing with Gods and Goddesses is no reason to not know your zip code.” "If you see yourself as God and then you come back from this state and somebody says, "Hey, Sam, empty the garbage!" it catches you back int…
In the context of this discussion, "masterful programmers" could be considered equivalent to "enlightened programmers".
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If you don't mind me asking dang, what sort of technical work do you do? If you'd prefer a private conversation, I'd be open to that; I'm curious to know if you write code on any kind of regular basis professionally. As I see it, your response further cements my point, that there's a huge chunk of people unhappy with content here, and a moderation instrument that is acutely aware of it and firmly poised to change it,…
The flaw in your argument is that you assume that it would be possible to make everybody happy. That's extremely not possible, and often trying to appease one subset ends up pissing off a much larger subset. These complaints are not coming from a "huge chunk of people", and the fact that they've been more or less stable since the community started is at least evidence that there isn't a massive decline, which is what…
Curiosity, more than anything. You're an enigmatic figure. Little is known about you, though you act as gatekeeper over a large number of conversations, I'm curious what makes your opinion worth anything in this context.
I could gather thousands of voices that want to read news leaning to the hacker side of the content spectrum. All these voices with commits and code reviews to show for themselves, and then there's you. There's almost nothing about you on Google, and there are MANY examples of your supposed entitlement to act as executor over conversations here.
I'm not meaning to accuse. I know what it costs and what it demands from a person to even attempt to moderate a community of this size and as diverse as this one. I do appreciate the role you possess, I just can't really appreciate your opinion, given so much evidence that the quality has decreased.
You probably used reddit early on, surely you wouldn't say the quality has skyrocketed since then? It's terrible. That's really all I'm saying. HN totally IS getting worse, and posts like these are directly attributable, given a long enough time frame.