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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by me_me_me »

in_cahoots wrote: post #163
hnzix wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Does the assistant apply the same rigor to Rogan’s claims?

This is not a journalistic podcast but casual conversations podcast. He is a comedian afterall.

They google things up and Rogan call people on BS when they contradict themselves, but they are not always right and they fall for some BS themselves.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by [deleted] »

xnxn wrote: post #155
hnzix wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Why does he then use his own voice to breathlessly repeat debunked rumors about left-wing activists in Portland? You think he'll correct the record in the next episode? https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-forest-fir...

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by mikedilger »

xnxn wrote: post #155
hnzix wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Why does he then use his own voice to breathlessly repeat debunked rumors about left-wing activists in Portland? You think he'll correct the record in the next episode? https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-forest-fir...

(Washington, left-wing activist, forest fire): https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-arrest-puyallup-man-...

(Oregon, arsonist, forest fire) https://thepostmillennial.com/arsonist-arrested-after-using-...

I haven't found the trifecta of ('Oregon', 'Left-wing activists', 'forest fires'). But I wouldn't have written an article making a claim that it definitely didn't happen. "falsely claimed" and "debunked" are unjustified claims themselves.

We are living in a strange time where many people think they know more than they do.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by radmuzom »

reincarnate0x14 wrote: post #151
dkdk8283 wrote: post #64

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This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

This was always the case, it's only that recently you feel it's been extended to your particular issues. At various times in the history of the US specifically, but analogues exist in most other places, you could have been fired or otherwise pariah'ed for: Freely discussing the conditions and rights of laborers Discussing political ideologies like communism Discussing various sects of Christian belief Discussing Non-…

Funny that you and jakelazaroff above are getting downvoted. I have observed that lot of free speech advocates generally get annoyed if someone speaks the truth.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 666lumberjack »

dogma1138 wrote: post #197
sp332 wrote: post #107

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I think the terms used in the article are confusing. The clarification is about halfway through: The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex chang…

That’s the thing puberty blockers aren’t exactly reversible when used for any substantial duration and quite often cause developmental issues in general, these aren’t cases of premature puberty you can’t just pause it for a few years and expect things to go back.

>Puberty blockers aren't exactly reversible

That's not what the medical consensus[1] says. I hope you have some damn good evidence to the contrary if you want to deny tens of thousands of people access to life-saving medical treatment.

[1] https://www.seattlechildrens.org/pdf/PE2572.pdf

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dolguldur »

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #90
alphachloride wrote: post #76

What constitutes transphobic exactly? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like porn: you'll know it when you see it?

It’s fundamentally postmodern: impact matters, not intent. Meaning: if someone’s triggered and distressed by anything and you trigger them, you’re in the wrong, not them.

I never thought about it like this but this covers surprisingly much of what's currently happening.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by radmuzom »

t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Same reason why every article about Kobe Bryant's was flagged to death in HN and not restored by the moderators; whereas an article about Bill Gates' father or random people not linked to tech get so many up-votes and comments.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 666lumberjack »

ALittleLight wrote: post #177

There's a quote in the Vice article that this seems to be based on discussing a recent guest Shrier who wrote a book against transgender youth. "She also described wanting to transition as a "contagion" with the potential to infect other children, an entirely scientifically baseless idea, Men's Health noted." The idea that transgender identification is, in part, a social contagion, is the subject of academic research…

Anything can be 'the subject of academic research' if you just find one sufficiently biased individual willing to write an article.

The paper that you link (which is the only one that ever gets trotted out when this subject comes up...) had to be corrected after publication and has been widely criticised for its poor methodology.

The author sought to find evidence to support the idea of transgender identification as a social contagion by surveying only parents who reported 'rapid-onset gender dysphoria' in their kids recruited specifically from anti-trans / 'gender-critical' forums 'transgendertrend', '4thwavenow', and 'youthtranscriticalprofessionals'.

The fact that their sample was obscenely biased is right there in the intro to the study. The fact that the study had to be corrected is right there at the top of the page.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sneak »

Spotify also have up a ton of gangsta rap about premeditated murder and physical abuse of women. We don't need more censorship.

If you try to cancel publishing platforms like facebook or spotify for the content they host, the end result of success there means that you won't be able to listen to a single song with a swear word or sex/drug references it in, as everything is now cloud based.

I hope that doesn’t happen. I don’t like Dr Dre or Biggie as human beings who make bad moral choices, but I enjoy their music that describes violent and abhorrent acts.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dogma1138 »

666lumberjack wrote: post #205
dogma1138 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the thing puberty blockers aren’t exactly reversible when used for any substantial duration and quite often cause developmental issues in general, these aren’t cases of premature puberty you can’t just pause it for a few years and expect things to go back.

>Puberty blockers aren't exactly reversible That's not what the medical consensus[1] says. I hope you have some damn good evidence to the contrary if you want to deny tens of thousands of people access to life-saving medical treatment. [1] https://www.seattlechildrens.org/pdf/PE2572.pdf

It’s really not which is why medical associations are putting more strongly worded guidance these days: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-nhs-has-quietly-chan...
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