Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even thought some smoke has reached the east coast for pretty much everything east of the Mississippi there is no change in air quality (yet?)
Most, if not all, of the smoke traveling that far will be up near the jet stream level of the atmosphere. It will impact your sunlight but will have little to no effect at ground level.
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#202Cliff Mass spoiled himself for me with this asinine blog post comparing Seattle BLM protesters to brownshirts in Nazi Germany [0]. It feels icky to get behind someone who will use his platform to sling ridiculous accusations and accept no criticism [1]. It's a shame - his weather reporting is uniquely good and fun to read. [0] https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/08/seattle-city-in-fear-... [1] https://cliffmass.blogs…
Those who say this is an inappropriate comparison are gaslighting, as these criminals have a consistent track record of engaging in violence, intimidation, threats, and more. Let's take a look at what this subset of BLM protesters have done in the Seattle area. They:
1. Harassed the mayor at her house, and issuing death threats like "guillotine Jenny" and writing misogynist messages like "Resign bitch" on her house and the road in front, and used similar tactics at the houses of council members: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/native-le...
2. Repeatedly blocking bridges and highways, snarling traffic for thousands of drivers, pedestrians, and bicyclists even after their irresponsible highway blockades led to a death: https://www.kuow.org/stories/updates-protests-for-racial-jus...
3. Showed up at our black female police chief's neighborhood, started documenting who lives where, noted license plates, and interrogated neighborhood kids for information: https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2020/08/02/hundreds-of-blm-support...
4. Even showed up at the houses of council members who agreed to their demands, to intimidate them and make sure they wouldn't change their stance: https://westseattleblog.com/2020/08/protest-evening-march-in...
5. Used a homeless camp as a staging area for riots, storing weapons there: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/seattle-police-recover-wea...
6. Showed up at white people's homes, demanding that residents leave the neighborhood: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/14/blm-marches-through-...
7. Made lists of businesses to destroy: https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-rioters-made-lists-of-s...
How can you not see the valid comparison to brownshirts here? Damaging property, holding drivers hostage on the highway, obstructing others from accessing public infrastructure, committing arson, issuing death threats, and so forth all match the description perfectly. Remember, terrorism is defined as "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes." (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism). The actions of local BLM activists and Antifa rioters completely fits this description.
And given the evidence is so clear, this attempt to cancel Cliff Mass, a distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science at a major research university, is simply progressive cancel culture run amok.
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#203I’m in the midsts of this right now and it’s depressing. I spent yesterday morning with a sore throat and itchy eyes and most of the afternoon hopelessly driving hours away for a box fan and furnace filter (I finally found them). All the while I should have been working. Some of my coworkers have complained of week-long headaches. If anyone else is suffering from this: you are not alone.
I wonder how much all that cost, all in all, and how that compare to switching to non-carbon energy sources (to limit further climate damages)…
We screwed up over-preventing fires during the last 100 years and built up a huge tinder box.
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#204I’m in the midsts of this right now and it’s depressing. I spent yesterday morning with a sore throat and itchy eyes and most of the afternoon hopelessly driving hours away for a box fan and furnace filter (I finally found them). All the while I should have been working. Some of my coworkers have complained of week-long headaches. If anyone else is suffering from this: you are not alone.
There's no good timing for these fires but now just seems really bad. Can't socialize inside because of Covid, can't socialize outdoors because of smoke. Tough time to be in the West Coast.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember visiting Amsterdam in a heatwave, maybe 2016, and they were hosing the canal bridges off to cool them so they'd close properly. Apparently they'd expanded from the heat more than they were designed to cope with.
That happens in Seattle too. I'm surprised the metal expands that much myself.
So a 40 degree temperature swing would be 400-800ppm, which means about 1mm difference in length for 2m of steel. Obviously bridges aren't usually made of a single span of steel, but there will be limits to how much expansion a given joint can tolerate, and each half of a draw-bridge needs to be fairly rigid. On top of that, 40 degrees is probably much less than the difference in road temperature between a cold night in January vs. a sunny day in August.
Railway tracks used to buckle in the heat before they built them with a small gap between the rail spans.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do you reject the idea that there no parallels to the black bloc and the brown shirts behavior? Yes. It's very clear that organised violence in the US is overwhelmingly from the far right. Anyone denying this either isn't paying attention or is being dishonest.
Persuade me with documentation.
"In analyzing fatalities from terrorist attacks, religious terrorism has killed the largest number of individuals—3,086 people—primarily due to the attacks on September 11, 2001, which caused 2,977 deaths.10 The magnitude of this death toll fundamentally shaped U.S. counterterrorism policy over the past two decades. In comparison, right-wing terrorist attacks caused 335 deaths, left-wing attacks caused 22 deaths, and ethnonationalist terrorists caused 5 deaths."[1]
[1]https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-u...
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#207Genuine question, are these fires big enough to stop them from happening for a while? Or should we expect another one next year? Edit: My original question was more in mind with does this have same effect as controlled burning / prescribed burning. Thank you all for replies :)
This article notes:
- In 2019, $160M was spent putting out wildfires in CA, but the economic damage was $80B
- 3M acres have burned in CA this year
- In order to manage wildfires appropriately in CA, 20M acres would need to be addressed (thinning or burning) every year.
- There are 48M acres of mountains, brush, and grassland in CA
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wrote this in response to your previous post, which was flagged: I don't think this rioting, violence, and general unrest should be compared to the Brown Shirts. Groups engaging in "antagonism and murder towards people they perceived as evil" are not uncommon in history. An analogy to the Nazis in the 30s seems out of place because, as you say, of everything that the Nazis did after the 30s. If you want to talk to…
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Wow. You really are a racist. Or at least an authoritarian on some level.
You want people of color to convince you - a task of which is not theirs to fulfill - that they should have basic social rights in the US. You then refuse to be convinced because they aren't 'being nice' about it?
How on earth is fighting for social and civil rights a task of political suppression? BLM represents a bloc that has been disincentivised from voting from the founding of America until 2020.
Something screams authoritarian, and it certainly isn't protesting.
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#210Cliff Mass spoiled himself for me with this asinine blog post comparing Seattle BLM protesters to brownshirts in Nazi Germany [0]. It feels icky to get behind someone who will use his platform to sling ridiculous accusations and accept no criticism [1]. It's a shame - his weather reporting is uniquely good and fun to read. [0] https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/08/seattle-city-in-fear-... [1] https://cliffmass.blogs…
Cliff Mass is 100% right on comparing BLM protesters to brownshirts, and he was also specific in noting that he isn't describing all protesters. The relevant quote from his blog post is "Seattle's brownshirts have hidden within protest groups". Those who say this is an inappropriate comparison are gaslighting, as these criminals have a consistent track record of engaging in violence, intimidation, threats, and more.…