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Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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I feel like this TikTok backlash is so overblown. I don't think TikTok is spying on US consumers/business, and I don't think TikTok is sharing any US private data with CCP... I believe this because there's no evidence to the contrary, and out of principle you shouldn't assume malintent. In fact, TikTok explicitly left Hong Kong because if they didn't they would have to share private data with CCP to comply with new l…

Some light reading:

https://rufposten.de/blog/2019/12/05/privacy-analysis-of-tik...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QEyWqAiTE_5xzCs_X3tjDCQx...

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tiktoks-owner-is-helpin...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/video-app-linked-to-china...

https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-is-the-latest-window-into...

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/478015-exer...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-a...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Wouldn't be surprised if Google, Facebook, or Microsoft suddenly come out with a competing app. Didn't google have one that they shut down recently?

Tell me a single good social app from Google. I'll wait. It's not like they didn't try, but all of them seem to suffer from the design by committee syndrome.

The only one legitimately and accidentally created by Google was: Google Reader

Orkut: stagnated and killed

G+: design by committee as you said

YT: acquired but the social aspects are down the drain

We can complain about FB and Zuckerberg as much as we want but they knew how to evolve the network and keep the users

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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There's nothing complicated or unusual about it. It's not ironic either. China is increasingly an adversary to the US. That context is going to get a lot worse this decade. TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and ultimately must (and will) answer to China. Facebook, Google, et al. are of course American companies. For a nation, whether Facebook concerns you as much as TikTok depends largely on which side you're on (…

Unfortunately, the so-called "liberal side" is going for all the tools like censorship and banning, state interference in the corporate sector, and more that it berates the other side about, so there is no moral case here, just pure tribalism. Actually the "liberal side" invented all these tools but has had a vastly better propaganda machine and hides under the cover of due process and procedural justice that never s…

Regardless (I both agree partially yet think you’re omitting major differences here), you still live somewhere. When states are adversaries, that means there are consequences to being involved with the other state.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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post #66

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I'm curious, are these 1. Devices owned by Amazon, for work 2. Personal devices with the amazon email added directly 3. Personal devices with amazon email added on Work profile Could not find this info in the articles or tweet.

They're devices that are under Amazon's MDM. So if the device was enrolled with their MDM then it applies.

Right, but on Android at least, you can either have the whole device be under MDM (#2) or just a work profile (#3). In the latter, if your sysadmin decides to wipe your device, it only wipes your Work profile and not your entire phone, from my understanding. Is that not correct?

My assumption was that any apps installed on the personal partition were off limit for the MDM.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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> I'm more surprised Amazon (or any company, really) employees using an employer-managed device would have TikTok on them to start with, to be honest. I am too. Many years ago at my employer, someone fat-fingered a command and wiped every single iPhone/iPad that an employee had configured to connect the company email system. Even after restoring a backup, the devices would just wipe themselves again unless the owner…

If you can't handle your phone being remotely wiped, you also can't handle it being lost, stolen, or broken. For me, it's a minor inconvenience at best, not a death sentence.

I'd rather be able to blame myself for my stupid mistakes - not be beholden to Amazon's (or whoever's) MDM profile. Especially when companies don't make it clear that "if you log into your email on your phone using this app, we install MDM, root certificates, have the ability to remote wipe, etc. etc. etc."

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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post #88

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I don't think any mid-large company allows 2 anymore. Access to company resources always comes with an MDM policy.

I don't get why people are OK with a company being able to wipe a personal device on a whim. If you want full control of my mobile, then provide a mobile.

My understanding is that they can only wipe the work profile. Is that not true? (Android).

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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I'm more surprised Amazon (or any company, really) employees using an employer-managed device would have TikTok on them to start with, to be honest. As the follow-up tweet says: "Completely independent of the specifics in this instance: get a second device before installing an employer's config profile on your personal device"

Not everyone can afford 2 phones, but their employers expect them to be online all the time anyway. This is particularly true of people who work in US hospitals.

I worked in a hospital and was oncall. My employer provided the phone. And the pager. To do anything else would be like asking an employee to provide a laptop, or a desk.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Jeff Bezos, Amazon CEO, got his phone hacked and embarrassing text messages stolen off it from a vulnerability in the video parsing library in WhatsApp in a message sent to him by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in 2018. So Amazon as a company is now very sensitive to what applications are installed on staff devices and how data on those devices can be extracted from vulnerabilities in other installed apps. Th…

>in the image parsing library in WhatsApp in a picture message sent to him by

Your link says

>Bezos' phone appeared to be infiltrated after he opened a video file sent from the crown prince's number on WhatsApp.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Tell me a single good social app from Google. I'll wait. It's not like they didn't try, but all of them seem to suffer from the design by committee syndrome.

What was that social network that used to be bigger than Facebook in Brazil? Orkit I think? It was something like that. Edit: Oh, I forgot the one staring me in the face—Youtube! It's no less of a social network than TikTok.

Orkut

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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post #144

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Believe me - a lot of companies roll MDM just to be able to remotely wipe the device in case it gets lost. A lot of them do not block apps (or remove them).

Can one do this as an individual as well?

Cisco had their Meraki MDM free for small numbers of devices - but that was a while ago and I'm not sure if they still offer it. Was only compatible with I believe Samsung phones as they had the best hardware security built in (KNOX?). Apple phones required (still do?) a Mac in order to deploy specific certificates to devices to enroll in MDM as well.
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