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The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by mc32 »

throwitawayfire wrote: post #195
the_pwner224 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research? The virus came from Wuhan where China has some sort of biological laboratory. The virus has hugely affected Europe and the U.S., but has had comparatively little effect in China. I'm not saying they made the virus and released it. But there will always be suspicion -…

The virus did not come from Wuhan. The first known cluster of cases was in Wuhan. This is where China first identified and then quickly notified the international community that there was a new communicable disease. Many of the original identified victims had no relation whatsoever with Wuhan, and virologists have traced the virus to several individuals throughout Hubei province as early as November. Virologists trac…

It’d known wet markets and the wildlife trafficked in such are a corona virus reservoir. We can no yet say it didn’t come from there.

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

masnao wrote: post #192
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So two questions (not to you, but the general audience): 1. Are you ok if some entity steals your research and publishes it under their name in a venue under their name before you publish it? 2. Are you okay if the entity stealing the research is not similarly liberal with their own research on the same subject?

if the research was published published ongoing, like open source software, it would not be aproblem. the problem only exists because people want to 1) hold data hostage for money and power 2) only publish success.

> if the research was published published ongoing

Are you aware that there are protocols in medical research against this?

Publishing research in an ongoing basis will taint the results (placebo effects etc).

There are blackout periods etc. just to make sure that the analysis is valid and not tainted.

Also a lot of research has lag time. Experiments can take a lot of time.

There is also a hidden assumption China is hacking for the greater good.

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Post by OBLIQUE_PILLAR »

blhack wrote: post #49
jeffbee wrote: post #23

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It's not hurting the whole world equally. It's been far worse for countries peopled with and led by idiots, like the USA. As long as this goes on it benefits China very greatly. We've already seen a huge shift away from the idea of American global leadership.

What an unbelievably low effort comment. >It's been far worse for countries peopled with and led by idiots, like the USA. Ranked next to Western European countries, the US ranks at the bottom of worst effected. The worst effected country is Belgium, followed by France, Italy, the UK, Sweden, and so on. As far as CFR, the US is about 1/3 or Belgium, and about 1/2 of the Netherlands. Among western liberal democracies,…

"our economy has weathered this better than anywhere in the world, and we will likely come out of this crisis even stronger, with even more global power, than we went in" - I can't read your entire paywalled off article, but I think the US' response of basically ignoring the plight of unemployed workers and only nominally trying to save small businesses ... vs the European model of giving aid to employers and cover a fraction of employees salary as long as they don't lay off workers, is obviously going to give the European countries a head start on recovery.

Unless you're a Creative Destruction disciple. There's been a lot of destruction!

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Post by free_rms »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #186
free_rms wrote: post #60

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And there's always 100 with extremely selective outrage. We're hacking them, they're hacking us, yawn. We hacked Angela Merkel's phone, even. This is normal low level stuff.

They are running concentration camps.

This article is about hacking and covid-19, though.

Nobody's monstrous overreactions to Islamic terrorism are the topic here.

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Post by nineparts »

I know I might be the weirdo here for browsing 4chon, but for the last few months I have seen a huge incursion of "PRC-affiliated"... "contributions"... and not only to high traffic and high turnover boards but even to niche ones. On boards using flags, these "contributions" come mainly from Canada, USA, and France.

Although I am secretly grateful for this spam, as it cut down my time spent there from 3-4 hours a week to 3-4 hours a month, it's still disconcerting as they are highly organized and apparently take huge pleasure in bludgeoning seals and other harmless creatures. Heck, I am amazed that the boards were clean even after the US Elections, the shutdown of 8chon and other such events.

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

dheera wrote: post #181
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #172

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Doesn't the origin and initial spread of the virus fall under COVID-19 research? Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? Let us not whitewash unethical behavior with broad strokes of "freely available to all as a matter of principle."

> Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? This isn't about countries. I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives. If country B is hiding research, that doesn't mean country A should hide it as a revenge, and that doesn't mean the residents of country B deserve to take the brunt of the actions…

> I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives

Why are you assuming the US is hiding research?

Are you aware that there are protocols in medical research against premature release of information as it will taint the results (placebo effects etc)?

There are blackout periods etc. just to make sure that the analysis is valid and not tainted.

Also a lot of research has lag time. Experiments can take a lot of time.

You are also assuming that China is hacking to release information for the greater good. You are discounting the following:

1) Hacking to corrupt results and data.

2) Hacking to patent possible cures first.

3) Getting to a cure first to use as leverage over countries. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/us/politics/coronavirus-c...

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Post by nineparts »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #185
dheera wrote: post #96

Given today's anti-free-thinker HN climate I'm probably going to get downvoted to oblivion for saying this, but I feel I need to say it. I don't think COVID-19 research should be secretive, I think it should be a global effort, and I'm perfectly happy with the idea of any nation having open access to all COVID-19 research, vaccines, results, and (anonymized) data. There should NOT be a concept of intellectual propert…

Someone should profit for figuring out how to stop COVID because otherwise there is little incentive beyond the government, and they don’t typically work nights and weekends. If China succeeds in stealing the solution, that will harm mankind because it will reduce future incentive to stop these things quickly.

Not to mention that if they find a cure before the world they will mark it as "strategical advantage" and not shared because it's of "national interest." At least based on their past history.

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Post by request_id »

nineparts wrote: post #208
mensetmanusman wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone should profit for figuring out how to stop COVID because otherwise there is little incentive beyond the government, and they don’t typically work nights and weekends. If China succeeds in stealing the solution, that will harm mankind because it will reduce future incentive to stop these things quickly.

Not to mention that if they find a cure before the world they will mark it as "strategical advantage" and not shared because it's of "national interest." At least based on their past history.

Are we talking about China or US?

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Post by defen »

masnao wrote: post #192
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So two questions (not to you, but the general audience): 1. Are you ok if some entity steals your research and publishes it under their name in a venue under their name before you publish it? 2. Are you okay if the entity stealing the research is not similarly liberal with their own research on the same subject?

if the research was published published ongoing, like open source software, it would not be aproblem. the problem only exists because people want to 1) hold data hostage for money and power 2) only publish success.

Even if software is open source, you can't steal it and claim you wrote it yourself.
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