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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by ethbro »

bilbo0s wrote: post #200
ethbro wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, every American has an elected official. (Non-voting in the case of territories) Has something changed?

Yeah, they would have been arrested in China, where their elected official means exactly dick. The whole reason China arrested a patsy is to provoke the US. So how exactly is senator useless gonna get him out of jail? The entire reason the Chinese arrested him, was to anger senator useless and american media. Were it not for senator useless, the american wouldn't be sitting in a Chinese prison in the first place. Wer…

I'm not sure this is the forum you're looking for, if that's how you structure your argument.

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Post by jussij »

gpm wrote: post #124
jussij wrote: post #121

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> As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". History has shown us and it keeps showing us principles are great as long as they don't get in the way of business. For example why was it that Trudeau decided to "just let [it] slip" when it came to the SNC-Lavalin corruption investigation? https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/06/americas/canada-politics-...

Trudeau was, rightly (to the extent that he was involved/aware), lambasted for that decision...

However, at least for me, that then taints the credibility of Trudeau and the government he leads.

I have idea if the claims against Huawei are true (many of these details seem to be kept secret) and my suspicion would be they may well have been involved in some sort of industrial espionage.

I'm also sure many companies and countries around the world are also actively engaged in all sorts of espionage.

However, the fact a government has been shown to easily bend it's own laws for the sake of business also means Huawei's claim this is a politically motivated attack can't be so easily dismissed.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by pinkfoot »

onemoresoop wrote: post #193
pinkfoot wrote: post #161

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Have you ever stopped to ponder why Ford, GM, and Chrysler's four-stroke motors look ever so much like the one the Germans Nicolaus Otto, Gottlieb Daimler, and Wilhelm Maybach invented?

Because a lot of german technology was force-exported to the US and USSR after Germany lost the WWII. What are you implying here regarding China’s IP theft? Did they win a war Im not aware of?

The Otto-cycle engine in Ford Model T engine from 1908 - 1927 was the spoils for the SECOND world war?

No mate, it was a rip-off.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by Tehdasi »

ericmay wrote: post #53
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #14

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Don't know why you're downvoted given that you're correct. The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry. Besides the short term loss of sales, in the long term new companies will emerge that compete with the American semi conductor industry. It's just a dumb move all around.

> The end result of this is to ensure that China develops their own semi conductor industry Seems to me that's happening either way and probably always was. Why wouldn't they?

There's less of point to developing industries if other countries will sell you the product of the industries for a competitive price.

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Post by greenhatman »

cryptonector wrote: post #189
alisonatwork wrote: post #128

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I don't know anything about telecoms, but I work in a different area of software development in China and can confirm it is not uncommon for developers here to bring their whole previous employer's repo with them when they switch jobs. One of my most cringeworthy moments was when I saw the same XyzUtil class pop up in two different companies, and both had been sourced from the same (not open source) third company rep…

I'd be shocked to see this (employees taking employers' proprietary source code) happen in the U.S., or in Canada, or in Europe, or in Japan, or in South Korea, or in most of LatAm. I've no idea about Africa, India, and elsewhere, though I expect this doesn't happen in India either (possibly due to British influence).

In the US it can land you in jail. See the case of Anthony Levandowski who took Waymo's self driving code over to Uber.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/19/21187651/anthony-levandow...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by greenhatman »

Zooper wrote: post #179
ethbro wrote: post #158

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At least in a democracy with a free press, you (the average person) can try to start a news frenzy and bug your elected government representatives to apply pressure on your behalf.

I would argue that the US is not a representative democracy, and that it does not have a free press.

But would you argue that citizens in the U.S. and China have basically equal rights?

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Post by dang »

jtdev wrote: post #23

With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community. I support any efforts to restrict China’s ability to expand their footprint, global reach, ability to reach into and influence the affairs of other nations. I’m completely exhausted with the deeply flawed “Golden Arches” b.s. at this point.

Please do not use HN for nationalistic flamewar. They never go anyplace new, and they're particularly destructive.

We're here for curious conversation, and talking about how $other-country is a threat to the world is very far from that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: you've unfortunately broken the site guidelines quite a bit, and we've had to warn you several times already. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by dang »

bilbo0s wrote: post #200
ethbro wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I checked, every American has an elected official. (Non-voting in the case of territories) Has something changed?

Yeah, they would have been arrested in China, where their elected official means exactly dick. The whole reason China arrested a patsy is to provoke the US. So how exactly is senator useless gonna get him out of jail? The entire reason the Chinese arrested him, was to anger senator useless and american media. Were it not for senator useless, the american wouldn't be sitting in a Chinese prison in the first place. Wer…

Please stop using HN for ideological, political, or national flamewar. You've been doing it repeatedly, and that's not ok.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

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Post by chance_state »

intheshadows01 wrote: post #138

It is very interesting reading all the comments from you guys, some from tech prospective others from policical ones. But from my angle, a normal Chinese guy working in the field of material research in China for a decade and deep inside the system, my points would be: 1. you guys really worry too much about our ability to innovate, seriously. There is no room for real innovations. But at the same time the system rew…

Thanks for you comment. It's too rare that we hear from people with your perspective.

Is HN not blocked/censored in China?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #118
mindslight wrote: post #104

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This is classic disruptive innovation at nation state scale. Imaginary property only worked when all jurisdictions agreed to follow the same rules, and could enforce these rules onto individual actors. Obviously China isn't playing by these rules and has no desire to play by these rules, regardless of any lip service paid. So we can either adjust our own philosophies to better match how the real world operates. Or we…

maybe in hindsight it's always easy to spot the problem. but the tragedy here is that we're feeling the effects of lost opportunities and mistakes that were made already 15-20 years ago. We had a window of opportunity when China was still coming up to give them a carrot/stick treatment and force them to either reform in exchange for export opportunities or remain isolated. The same mistakes were made with Russia (tha…

China has changed enormously in the last 15-20 years, especially in intellectual property enforcement. China is one of the most active venues in the world for IP enforcement now. They've created an IP regime out of nothing, established specialized courts that deal only with IP, and now try hundreds of thousands of cases a year.

Yet all of this seems completely unknown in the West, outside of the legal/business community that actually engages with the Chinese IP system. The same comments about there being no IP enforcement in China are made over and over again, completely disregarding the massive changes that have occurred.

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