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Well what's the alternative to buying a Tesla? Are there any other purely electric car makers out there that produce at a non-negligible scale? Global warming is orders of magnitude more important than COVID19.
In many parts of the world, the alternative is to not buy a car at all. Not so feasible in a car-centric country, but that's a other problem that needs to be solved.
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The estimated fatality rate with everything taken into account is around 0.5%. That's covering asymptomatic people, etc, etc. Assuming 200 million Americans get infected the result is 1 million additional deaths. That's a lot.
Among what age group, though? Using an average morbidity across the entire population is misleading. Everything I've read indicates that the morbidity scales very highly with age so that it would be something like (making this up here) 0.05% for people under 40, scaling up very quickly as you get to the elderly population. The question then becomes can we effectively quarantine at-risk groups instead of the entire po…
Go strawman, go! California and NY both have plans for slowly reopening in the comings weeks or months with various metrics guiding the timelines.
Having toured multiple car plants, and knowing Tesla is more automated than many, I am of the belief that much of the line work can successfully happen at social distances.
1) Elon Musk has made many comments downplaying COVID19, and
2) In photos (even in their Tesla Return-to-Work Playbook), the Leadership Team doesn't wear face masks (only the low-level workers do).
The second issue is big. (1) They're clearly taking risks themselves (no PPE would be okay for a selfie, but these are clearly professional photoshoots with an AV team). (2) If leadership doesn't role-model safe behavior, you can't expect everyone else to follow.
In abstract, I agree Tesla should be the poster child for safely re-opening. In practice, if Laurie Shelby, their VP for health and safety, can't be bothered to even wear a cloth face mask to a photoshoot on how to reopen safely (I can't make this stuff up), I have serious reservations about Tesla having the in-house expertise to run a COVID-safe shop.
There's also the possibility of blowback. If Tesla re-opens without proper precautions -- and there's every indication they'll do that -- and those improper precautions turn out to be insufficient, that will make it that much harder for everyone else to reopen.
90% of safety is in attitudes, in being careful, and in being detail-oriented. The exact same high-level precautions can be 100% safe if executed well, and 0% safe is executed for PR or CYA. It seems Tesla is doing the latter (which is ironic, given their attention to detail everywhere else).
I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.
What they think is about as relevant as opinion polls from a misinformed public. People largely have their mind made up about it about the covid because it's more of a religion now than anything else. Nevermind the numerous serology studies from multiple different countries which show exposure to the virus is highly prevalent with most individuals being asymptomatic. Nevermind the multiple recent studies in the U.S.…
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unions helped kill the car companies
This does not necessarily follow. Car companies in Germany are heavily unionised and they’re not exactly struggling (at least no more than the entire industry).
I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.
What they think is about as relevant as opinion polls from a misinformed public. People largely have their mind made up about it about the covid because it's more of a religion now than anything else. Nevermind the numerous serology studies from multiple different countries which show exposure to the virus is highly prevalent with most individuals being asymptomatic. Nevermind the multiple recent studies in the U.S.…
Well, I'm glad we can agree on something.
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Have fun buying a car from a manufacturer that is not manufacturing, and be sure to complain about Tesla threatening to boycott California while you threaten to boycott their products!
I’m not boycotting Tesla. What I’m saying is that as a prospective customer I am not reassured that the company won’t just try and pull a load of weird shit on me in the future (either by imploding or screwing me over) and for that reason I can’t commit to them. It’s a great pity because we have to recognise they have essentially created the modern EV space, and I was actually looking forward to adopting their tech.
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Among what age group, though? Using an average morbidity across the entire population is misleading. Everything I've read indicates that the morbidity scales very highly with age so that it would be something like (making this up here) 0.05% for people under 40, scaling up very quickly as you get to the elderly population. The question then becomes can we effectively quarantine at-risk groups instead of the entire po…
>but I do know that continuing to pursue current policies until some indefinite point in the future is untenable. Go strawman, go! California and NY both have plans for slowly reopening in the comings weeks or months with various metrics guiding the timelines.
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I don't see how that graph supports your point. It seems to be about years of life lost per death, rather than years of life lost per infection. It's also not correct stats to bucket data this strongly as you end up assuming that the dead are a representative sample of the population in your buckets (in this case, age and number of conditions). For example, if there are two subpopulations in each bucket, one with a m…
My apologies for the paywall link and for the fact that the study doesn’t really support all the points I was trying to make. I take your point about not assuming the breakdown of the deceased group is representative of the general population. Original paper is here: https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75 The article does go on to make the claim that 20% of the deceased would be individuals in their 50s and 6…
I am unconvinced that the deaths of care home residents and retirees would be bad for the economy (setting aside its more general badness).
The elderly demand for carers and other goods and services hugely exceeds the supply available at the price point they (or their NHS) can afford. The deaths of a huge number of care patients and the elderly in general would let the NHS shuffle resources around and be far less overstretched in caring for the elderly. Their consumption of other goods and services is fairly minor by comparison.
Indeed, the quality of service offered by the NHS would hugely improve (I doubt the government wpild be willing to cut its budget too much for a few years).
I don't have a good enough grasp of economics or the situation in the USA to speculate much on the effects, but find myself skeptical that the US economy is demand limited.