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Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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Citizens United was obviously correct. (While it’s not dispositive, look up which side the ACLU supported in that case.)

The enormous amount of money now in politics clearly shows just how wrong it was. The ACLU isn’t always right, either.

First of all, the outcome doesn't speak to the Constitutionality. Maybe the Constitution, as is, doesn't produce the outcomes we want, and Article V lays out a process to amend the Constitution. The outcome of a SCOTUS decision is "wrong" insofar as it incorrectly determines the legality of something, not whether or not it produces politically unfavorable outcomes.

Second of all, in practice, the influence of money in politics is overstated.

Hillary Clinton outspent[1][2] Donald Trump by 2x in the 2016 election, and still lost. In fact, she had far more corporate backing[3][4] than Donald Trump, and still lost.

In the 2020 Democratic Primaries, Michael Bloomberg spent $1 billion[5] (!!) on his campaign, and won just 9.4% of the popular vote (1.38% of pledged delegates).

Tom Steyer (a no-name billionaire), spent $343 million[6] on his election, and won a humiliating 0.38% of the popular vote (0% of pledged delegates). Interestingly, you would think he would have at least 1/3 of Bloomberg's vote, which suggests that the vast majority of the variance in Bloomberg's vote share can be attributed to his existing name recognition as a famous businessman/politician.

Bernie Sanders spent $195 million[7] on his election, having spent less than Bloomberg + Steyer and while having handily beaten both. Joe Biden spent $105 million[8] on his campaign, less than Bernie, and still beat him by 3 million votes.

Elizabeth Warren spent $121.31 million[9] on her campaign, and also handily beat Bloomberg + Steyer while having spent far less than them, while losing to Biden while having spent more than him.

Those are just the anecdotes (of which there are many more).

Decades of research[10] suggest that money probably isn’t the deciding factor in who wins a general election, and especially not for incumbents. Most of the research in the last century found[11] that spending didn’t affect wins for incumbents and that the impact for challengers was unclear[12]. Even the studies[13] that showed spending having the biggest effect, like one that found a more than 6 percent increase in vote share for incumbents, didn’t demonstrate that money actually causes wins. In fact, those gains from spending likely translate to less of an advantage today, in a time period where voters are more stridently partisan. There are probably fewer and fewer people who are going to change their vote because they liked your ad.

So this argument is dubious both legally as well as prescriptively.

[1] https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate?id=n00000019

[2] https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate?id=n00023864

[3] https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00000019

[4] https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00023864

[5] https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate...

[6] https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate...

[7] https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate...

[8] https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate...

[9] https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate...

[10] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2605401

[11] http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0002764203260415

[12] https://www.jstor.org/stable/2138764?seq=1#metadata_info_tab...

[13] http://www.sas.rochester.edu/psc/clarke/214/Gerber98.pdf

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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> Meanwhile, German students went back to school a week ago. And in Sweden, lower schools were never even shut down in the first place. Logical analysis Where do you fit Italy, Spain, or even Portugal in your logica analysis? Because arguably the US is being hit harder than any of those countries and yet they are respecting their quarantine with notable results. Meanwhile, neither Germany nor Sweden has suffered as m…

The US has not been harder but than Italy or Spain, or even Sweden. Sweden has had 2,300 COVID-19 deaths for 10 million people. The USA has 25 times as many deaths, but 32 times the population. Indeed, American cities with similar population and density to Stockholm have far fewer deaths. Washington DC is a little smaller and has similar density, but has had 165 deaths, versus over 1,100 in Stockholm. (Deaths are dou…

Fairfield County, CT has 0.77 deaths per 1000[0] which far exceeds Stockholm despite having far less population density. New Orleans also falls short and has 0.78 deaths per 1000. The US is a big country, so I think it's a mistake to look at the whole country's infection curve rather than regional infection curves. Some areas have not yet been hit hard by the virus because their region was not hit first. Hopefully with adequate public health measures their curves will never match NYC or adjacent regions.

It's also worth noting that the death curve probably has a 2-3 week lag behind the infection curve. At a 2 week doubling rate, even if you miraculously came out with a vaccine tomorrow and immunized the whole population you would still have yet to experience half of all deaths from the disease.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/upshot/five-w...

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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The free version is the unannotated code and Lexis is required to make it available per the contract with the Georgia legislature.

I recognize this, but (at least, per the reference I linked) the free version isn't an official state of Georgia document. It seems the only official version of the state laws is the commercial version.

I tend to agree with you, but availability of the text of the statutes is not at issue in the case here. In all of the opinions, every justice agrees that the text of the laws should be freely available, and not one of them raised any issue with the fact that the text of the statutes is made available through an agent, rather than directly by the state.

It is difficult to make an argument from a negative, but it is interesting to note that no one seems to care that Lexis distributes the text.

Also, if you go to Georgia's legislative web site and click on the link for "Georgia Code"[0], this takes you directly to Lexis Nexis. This seems as official as anything you'll find. The fact that a government contracts a third party to provide a service does not imply that that government is failing to provide said service.

As an analog, if I am a landlord, I am required to maintain any premises I let in a state that is fit for humans to live in. Whether I hire third party contractors to do the work to maintain these conditions or do the work myself, I am discharging my duties as landlord. No one would ever complain that I hired a plumber rather than fixed a toilet myself (assuming that the work is of the same quality).

[0] left-side nav bar, under "Legislation" heading, second from the bottom of its section.

Edit: I'll note that the arrangement as laid out in the syllabus of the Supreme Court decision reads differently than that in the Ars article. The syllabus clearly states that the annotations are produced as a work for hire by a division of Lexis for the Georgia Assembly in a contract managed through the Code Revision Commission (a committee of the Georgia legislature). The copyright vests in the state of Georgia. The Ars article implies (based on my reading) that the copyright belongs to Lexis. These two readings provide very different starting points.

Separately, the Ars article raises FUD about the copy of the statutes hosted on the Lexis website, but the state of Georgia clearly links to this as the code. Lexis, as a third party without the ability to make law (and as an organization of lawyers) has some hedges it probably has to make when posting legal documents. Georgia claims this is the official text of the statutes. I'll defer to Georgia on this matter and accept the Lexis text as canonical.

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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I can’t quite agree that the annotations are ‘required reading’ for competent representation of a litigant. Some state’s official printings of statute are pretty bare (Louisiana in particular), but Georgia’s official documents are quite thorough. The area of law, the type of arguments, etc are all facets of what types of references make good arguments. I’m not aging the annotations aren’t a good reference, but that s…

Two related questions... 1. In a state like LA, where annotations aren't included, would a lawyer purchase an annotated version from a 3rd party? I assume the information contained in the annotations is expected to be known, regardless of how it is obtained. 2. If a state elects to publish annotations as part of the only published code, does that lend any extra weight to the annotations (effectively, by putting them…

The answer to 1 is yes, although it is more common for the information contained in ‘annotations’ to be accessed via Westlaw or Alexis online subscriptions.

As to 2, I think the primary evidence for extra weight would be the number of citations to the ‘official’ annotations in rendered opinions, but that it would not be an official jurisprudential rule.

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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The point really isn't to solve my personal inconvenience of a problem that should not exist. It's to point out the problem that shouldn't exist, its root cause, and only one very minor, mundane, and utterly ridiculous consequence. Of a problem that should not exist. At all. For any reason. But thank you regardless, your heart at least is in the right place.

So going back to who you were originally replying to that spawned this little thread and trying to tie this all together because I’m lost with what you are trying to say. What is this problem that shouldn’t exist, this root cause? And in which scenario does it go away: with the status quo laws or with their removal? And why would the scenario remove that root cause problem?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23001748

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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That is much easier said than done. It’s 2020 and we still don’t have a gender equality amendment even though the majority of states want one. ...let alone amendments for healthcare as a right, abortion rights, and proportional representation.

Are gender equality laws prohibited by the Constitution? Title IX shows no.

The issue isn’t that there’s a difficulty in creating gender-equality laws, but that the opposite is true: it’s just as straightforward for a legislature somewhere to enact misogynistic laws. A constitutional amendment to recognise gender equality would mean US laws like these could be struck-down or never get enacted in the first place: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/sexist-laws-in-the-...

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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And how much did those titles actually cost to make? I seriously doubt either game shipped without at least 4x the kickstarter funds. They were only able to make up the rest because they knew copyright meant they'd get paid more when they shipped via sales where as without copyright it would just be copied. Here's an article on Elite:Dangerous saying the actual budget was 8m https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-09…

> I seriously doubt either game shipped without at least 4x the kickstarter funds. Yes, but AAA games and e.g. feature films are among the highest-cost works to make. They're very much an exception, not the rule.

I'm not sure what your point is. I thought the point that was trying to be made is that Kickstarter is a way to fund gamedev. But AFAIK there isn't a single example of the funds from Kickstarter being sufficient funding for a single game ever, AAA or indie.

(unless the game was being made for free as a hobby and the kickstarted was just for fun and not actually funding).

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