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Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

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#41
post #4

this is a huge win - although it's interesting that Ginsburg and some other "liberal" judges seem to side with Georgia in saying that the state should be able to put the law of the land behind a pay wall.

Ginsburg daughter is a copyright law scholar who is very pro-copyright. Ginsburg's decisions tend to be very reliably pro-copyright on a court where consistency on copyright matters is utterly lacking among all the other justices. As compared to Ginsburg, it's a crap shoot how any particular justice will decide a copyright case.

I personally don't think this is a coincidence. I would guess that Ginsburg's thinking is heavily influenced by conversations with her daughter. Or perhaps Ginsburg's strongly held opinions on copyright influenced her daughter's career.

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

#42

This is a huge win for civil liberty.

I'm not sure that it is. While I agree with the final outcome (seriously, why would the states be able to copyright annotations?), it sounds like the court ignored precedent and effectively made up a new law out of whole cloth to reach this outcome.

We may be okay with this particular outcome, but would we feel the same way if they did it for say Roe v. Wade (or some other more established opinion that you like, depending on your political leanings)? I can't tell how serious this is, but it sounds like another attempt to weaken stare decisis to me (again, with the disclaimer that I am not a lawyer or legal expert of any kind and maybe it's not nearly as bad as it sounds to me?)

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#43
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean this is not the norm? The cases I've read seemed quite reasonable. They happened in the 90s and early 2000s though.

It may be the norm, but they also get some completely wrong: Citizens United, for example.

Whether you agree with or disagree with the Citizens United outcome, describing the majority opinion as a straightforward "completely wrong" (when, for example, the ACLU supported the verdict) indicates that you have not, in fact, read any of the opinions or dissents, or done research about the specific case that was being litigated.

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

#44
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be the norm, but they also get some completely wrong: Citizens United, for example.

Whether you agree with or disagree with the Citizens United outcome, describing the majority opinion as a straightforward "completely wrong" (when, for example, the ACLU supported the verdict) indicates that you have not, in fact, read any of the opinions or dissents, or done research about the specific case that was being litigated.

They overturned an at the time recent Supreme Court verdict, which is disruptive and counter to long standing precedent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_v._Michigan_Chamber_of_...

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

#45
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, here is the very first paragraph of the dissenting opinion by Ginsburg (joined by Breyer), beginning at p. 39 of the linked submission: > Beyond doubt, state laws are not copyrightable. Nor are other materials created by state legislators in the course of performing their lawmaking responsibilities, e.g. , legislative committee reports, floor statements, unenacted bills. ( Ante , at 8–9). Not all that legisla…

Which is reasonable, but isn't this publication THE only codified publication of Georgia's laws?

Per the decision, the un-annotated code is made freely available.[0] The issue at hand is the annotations.

The majority opinion is that the key point is authorship. Officials whose work has the force of law (aka judges and legislators) cannot be authors for purposes of copyright of any work produced in their official capacity as a lawmaker. Their argument is that the annotations are published by the legislative body of Georgia in an official capacity, and therefore are not subject to copyright.

The first dissent disagrees with the majority's interpretation of the government edicts doctrine (lawmakers cannot be authors of, and therefore cannot hold copyright on, works produced in the discharge of their lawmaking duties), finding it too broad and not obvious. The core point is that the type of work matters, and that in this case the type of work is not legislative.

The second dissent argues also that the type of work matters, and that annotations such as those under consideration do not created in a legislative capacity. This agrees with the majority argument about the government edicts doctrine, but disagrees about whether this work constitutes a government edict.

[0] This is mentioned spanning the bottom of page three and the top of page four of the majority opinion (pages six and seven of the PDF):

> In exchange, Lexis has agreed to limit the price it may charge for the OCGA and to make an unannotated version of the statutory text available to the public online for free.

Re: Supreme Court rules Georgia state law annotations not copyrightable [pdf]

#46
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is reasonable, but isn't this publication THE only codified publication of Georgia's laws?

How would your argument change in the event that this were the only such publication? How about if there were 1,000? EDIT: I now realize that George effectively only published an annotated version of its laws, which can only be purchased (it seems) from LexisNexis. While a free version is available, this version appears to be prepared by LexisNexis (all of this is my understanding from ref 1) 1. https://arstechnica.c…

The free version is the unannotated code and Lexis is required to make it available per the contract with the Georgia legislature.

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Aside from the particulars of this case, I feel that the whole subject of copyright is generally anti-competitive and rent-seeking, as codified in the laws and time limits being inflated grossly to suit copyright holders in the current era.

In my opinion, the argument that copyright extension incentivizes authors/creators doesn't hold much water. I generally observe that there are plenty of people willing to create and publish things with absolutely no hope of profit or legal protection, and yet we bend over backwards to extend our protections for the lucky few to the tune of the author's life + 70 years. Even more if for hire. Tell me how that's in the public interest.

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#48
post #10

Reading the opinions, it is a breath of fresh air to see one of the branches of government relying upon fact and logical argument when discussing the issues. This is how America is supposed to work.

What's your opinion of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, in regards to them using facts and logical arguments?

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post #38
post #10

Reading the opinions, it is a breath of fresh air to see one of the branches of government relying upon fact and logical argument when discussing the issues. This is how America is supposed to work.

The judicial branch is supposed to rely on facts and logical arguments. That is not how “America” writ large, however, is “supposed to work.” If that’s what the framers anticipated, they would have have had the other two branches likewise run by unelected subject matter experts with life tenure. But they didn’t. The fact is that the world is too complicated to figure out via facts and logical analysis, and that’s why…

> Meanwhile, German students went back to school a week ago. And in Sweden, lower schools were never even shut down in the first place. Logical analysis

Where do you fit Italy, Spain, or even Portugal in your logica analysis? Because arguably the US is being hit harder than any of those countries and yet they are respecting their quarantine with notable results.

Meanwhile, neither Germany nor Sweden has suffered as much as neither Spain or Italy.

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#50

Aside from the particulars of this case, I feel that the whole subject of copyright is generally anti-competitive and rent-seeking, as codified in the laws and time limits being inflated grossly to suit copyright holders in the current era. In my opinion, the argument that copyright extension incentivizes authors/creators doesn't hold much water. I generally observe that there are plenty of people willing to create a…

Intellectual property is the probably the number one way the western world oppresses the poor.
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